AR-15 Grip
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This Thing has been restored. Thank you, Thingiverse, and please do your best to avoid falling too far down the slippery slope that all censors must stand on.
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The following was initially typed in response to some of the inflammatory comments posted below [edit: flamebait posts removed, thanks!]. My commentary grew out of control as I realized this isn't something I've talked with anyone in depth about, ever. I understand that censorship is bad and rightfully makes people angry, but please try and stay civil. The people who blame tools for the deeds of evil people may be frightfully mislead, but their need to make a change comes from a good place. They've been hoodwinked by some very bad people that will use terrible acts to push their own agendas.
Anyway, here's my rambling words. They come from a person that is, by nature, an engineer, a maker, a fixer. Five years ago I was briefly exposed to a frightening break in society. I've spent too much time since then trying to figure out a way to make that break go away. To engineer a solution. To fix the problem.
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My issue with people crying "gun control!" is that they respond from emotion, but inadvertently seek to create more victims in their zeal to DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW to stop these terrible things from happening... Unfortunately, I don't just say this as an armchair quarterback with no experience. Five years ago there was mass shooting at the NIU campus in DeKalb IL. That madman killed 5 people, and he shot many more... yet gun control laws worked as well on that day as they ever could work. There were at least a hundred people in that room, and the killer had every intention of being the last one alive. The first NIU police officer was in the room within a minute of the killer's first shot, and everything was over just like that. There were only two people holding guns in that room - the criminal, and the police officer... and the killer shot himself in the head as soon as he saw the officer's gun. No police force on the planet could ever be more effective as the NIU police were that day.
Now, ask yourself what could have saved every single person in that room. More gun control?
Psychos like this *need* defenseless targets. Let's not give them more. If it was legal in IL, I'd donate money and time to train and CCW license every teacher at every school my child ever attends. I don't care if those teachers choose to purchase a firearm afterward; the possibility that the teachers might be armed and prepared - and that psycho killers at large would be aware of this fact - is enough for me.
I'm a former Boy Scout, and while adult me can't support them for their hate-agenda, they did teach a younger me something very important: Always Be Prepared. So let's talk about preparation.
There has not been a single child fatality in a school fire for than 50 years. There have been plenty of fires - on average something like 150 per year in the US. The reason we don't have fatalities in these fires isn't because fire isn't dangerous - home fires have terrible statistics that should prove to anyone the dangers of fire. Nor is it because there are no bad guys - according to FEMA between 60% and 70% of school fires are cases of arson. The bad guys also aren't hampered by a lack of access to flammables... Instead, schools are safe from fire because we are prepared for the possibility - schools have drills, fire extinguishers, sprinklers, alarm switches everywhere, and even more drills. Everyone - staff and student - is prepared and knows what to do, and there is mandated equipment on site to begin saving lives *before* rescue professionals arrive on the scene. I don't want to think about how differently the statistics would be if, instead, we chose to try and regulate matches and lighters and gasoline, or anything else a bad guy might try to use to start a fire. Preparedness works.
From someone that never wanted to see first hand brains, blood, or too-still faces, and never wants to ever again... rest assured, I have thought about this a lot more than you.
Here are the answers I have been able to come up with:
1: Strict gun control. This will never work. Illinois is the only state that can 100% guarantee every law abiding citizen is unarmed... Bad guys don't care. Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws on the planet, and open fighting in the streets.
2. Visible police presence at every entrance to every building. I'm for this. It'd work both as a deterrent and as a quick(er) emergency response. We'd need to find a huge amount of money to balance that budget sheet, though. Impossible.
3. The mental health system in this country, as with the overall health care system, is entirely broken. I'm not able to imagine a solution, but I know corporate profit driven-private healthcare isn't it. Try breaking a bone in Costa Rica. You'll be set, in a cast, and on your way to the pharmacy before a US facility will even process your insurance... Because Costa Rica won't ask you for your insurance. They've prioritized health care and it shows. This will never happen in the US. There's too much money in healthcare and too many lobbyists lying to people about national health care systems in other countries.
4. Concealed carry for citizens. Steven Kazmierczak stopped killing the very moment he realized he wasn't the only person in the building holding a gun. Make sure that some non-zero percentage of the population is armed, trained, and proven competent with that responsibility and you WILL stop some of these these crimes from happening, and stop or slow down others before they've done the maximum amount of harm they could accomplish.
That's the only way I can think of that we could have saved 5 people that died that day... And that was a best-case-scenario for police response. Any better requires the fortuitous and unplanned presence of an officer, like we saw in the Hobbit attempted mass shooting recently.
Five dead = best possible outcome? Something definitely needs to change, and creating more defenseless victims isn't the right way to go.
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i dont get it. the model is of a hand grip. A hand grip is not a weapon. Even if you print a fully functional weapon to go with this grip, it would never be able to fire off a round and even if you did manage to ignite a round in this ABS printed weapon it would explode in your face. Again, i dont understand the drama.
I really wish this website didnt take down the lower... I wanna build a custom ar15 .22 mainly for show. not planning on shooting it much
DEFCAD.ORG - No censorship there. There's a newly revised version of the lower there as well, much stronger at the buffer tower area.
Speaking of making a lower for show... I made a voronoi fractal pattern version of the receiver I called the ART-15... it doesn't function as anything beyond desk art so it wouldn't fit in at Defcad, but is too scary for Thingiverse. Not sure where that one could be uploaded. When people see things in black & white they sure miss out on a lot of colors.
To avoid the ignorance and the nitwit crowd, I've refrained from Publishing my .25 caliber 2-shot derringer. If you want my stl, please send me a private message.
Well said commentary, though I disagree with you on a point or two.
"Five years ago I was briefly exposed to a frightening break in society."
Sounds like someone had a mental breakdown and is now making gun parts available. Not really surprising.
This idea of making 3D printed weapons available is a seriously bad (and illegal in just about everywhere other than the USA) idea.
Your little rant is so full of BS it's not funny - the "fire safety" bit - there's regulations that help with fire safety. What you're advocating is that everyone carry around flame throwers to combat fire. No - the regulations around safe storage and safety requirements that gun advocates like yourself rally against are incredibly effective in reducing fire fatalities.
Gun regulation is not about total bans - and it does work elsewhere in the world.
>Visible police presence at every entrance to every building
Yeah, because how much would that cost and how many police would have to stop doing their normal job to sit there - perhaps instead you just get some sensible gun laws.
>mental health
There are 86 gun deaths a day - full-on mental health is nothing to do with most of that. A domestic violence situation is not mental health related - nor is a neighbourly dispute - yet a gun in both = more likely to be a homicide. A kid getting hold of a gun because their idiot parents have them loaded and unsecured (because safe storage is apparently too horrible to have legislation requiring it).
>Concealed carry for citizens.
How about just no. Never. You acknowledge " I know how irrational the average person can be." yet you're helping with the spread of guns to more people by associating 3D printing with guns. Well done.
Anyhow - I think the gun makers should piss off off the site and create their own geo-filtered USA only site and respect the laws and legal attempts to have sane gun regulations elsewhere. Currently thingiverse is hosting items which are illegal in my country and others - and morally/ethically that's pretty poor..
This is not an illegal Item! The second Amendment is not about hunting it's about protecting my self from nut cases that want to take my guns from me. 73% of the 86 people that are killed each and everyday are .......Gang-bangers! AND.....they will always have guns no matter what laws or what confiscation schemes you come up with. Look at Switzerland their Government issues weapons to it's citizens. Their crime rate is so low they don't even keep track of it. Chicago has banned guns but yet they have the highest murder rate in the US. Israel arms their teachers they train their kids to use weapons so should we.
Armchair quarterbacks always know more about the sport on their TV than anyone that has ever stood on the field.
I feel that this speaks volumes for the home 3DP crowd. For some reason, I have seen a lot more focus on the Defense Distributed project as the public tries to come to grips with gun control. I agree that it is not the solution, I wish I knew what was. I know that better mental health programs, and less persecution of those coping with mental illness, is a good start.
I'm pleased to see that at least the grip is back, because humanity is best served by embracing the natural right of any organism to defend itself. Many common things and materials can easily be adapted to kill or even commit mass murder. No law can change this reality or even substantially alter the consequences of this fact (except by restricting the liberty of people to arm and defend themselves, causing even more harm and deaths as the result of unopposed violent assaults).
85 people were murdered at the Happyland Social Club in the Bronx using 1 dollar worth of gas and a match! Similarly, no firearms were used whatsoever in the London bombings, which resulted in the murder of 52 people. There are countless examples and there will only be more as our masters and rulers continue to disarm civilians.
Humanity would be best served by being less violent and having less deadly weapons in the hands of nutcases - and there's a bunch of kids dead just recently because someone exercised their unregulated gun rights. Well done on having the moral comprehension of a sociopath.
Elsewhere in the world we have sane gun regulations and we, unsurprisingly, have less murderous societies and enjoy greater freedom from fear and death by gunshot. We also enjoy freedoms like public healthcare too.
Thingiverse has removed this *handle* "because it is a weapon" - but surprisingly not http://www.thingiverse.com/thi... which is the exact same file, but was instead posted by Makerbot staff.
Since *everything* is potentially a weapon, and pretty much everything else on Thingiverse is sharper and more dangerous than this handle, MBI has decided that nothing should be posted to Thingiverse. I'm complying by removing all of my remaining Things from this particular website.
Any chance you could post this model without the finger shelf? I was going to mess around with it but the finger shelf is extremely annoy to get rid of.
Hi,
Did you print that lower with PLA or ABS?
Do you think a PLA lower could survive .22 LR if not .223?
Thanks
And the threads hold up fine on the lower? Pins don't expand the holes?
I am thinking of cadding up a printable slide-fire variant, do you think this would work?
Either is fine for .223/5.56, and 22LR is barely noticeable on an AR. The majority of force goes into the buffer.
It looks like you used my printed AR parts for the main picture. Glad it's getting used!
Yep! I saw it posted to the lower Thing and thought it looked fantastic. The non-black "scary black gun" build is a great idea. I think I can put together a printable grip and sights, and combined with Oryhara's stock, a mostly-printed and obviously plastic AR would really give the bloggers something to chatter about.
7777773 Any chance of doing something like a Glock 17 lower? That would be pretty awesome as well and I would assume it would be a bit easier to test and build since it's a lot smaller than the AR lower. Also, I think you can get the exact same kind of plastic Glock uses for their lowers. Anyhow, would be really cool to print up a multi-color glock lower.
I do have a 17 available to measure, but that sounds like an accident waiting to happen. While the Glock is polymer, it isn't printed and is far denser than a print would be.
I've seen plenty of 1911 lower files floating around, and combined with a lost-PLA aluminum cast I suspect they'd work OK... but I wouldn't trust a printed pistol frame at this time.
I downloaded the SolidWorks file in hopes of removing the front finger 'bump' (which always winds up in the wrong location when I use such a grip on a paintball gun with an M-16 mounting lug). However, the grip itself is just a 'dumb' imported solid - is there an upstream model that you used?
What is with all these guns/weapons lately. Just because BoingBoing did a blog post on getting around weapons enforcement laws and thingiverse doesn't mean I need people printing guns or gun parts.
Didn't you read the terms? No weapons.
This is a handle, not a weapon. It was specifically posted as a test to see how far irrational minds will go to find things to be afraid of.
I've removed the files, though they can be found elsewhere on the 'verse, specifically by tbuser to be used as the handle portion of an obviously very dangerous handheld 3d-scanner.
Wait? Is a plastic grip a weapon? derrr.... I wounder what percentage of anti gun trolls live in socialist countries... And there is no "getting around weapons laws" (if you live in free state) you can manufacture guns for personal use.
Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children?
these 3d files can already be found else where.
Also this is no more a weapon than a stick.
Have YOU read it lately? That prohibition was removed long ago. It does not say that.
@idreamincode - I cannot say for sure, but I suspect the weapons are being posted as an expression of free speech in opposition to all of the rants by the anti-gun people that have been posting lately. Personally, I think it's all rediculous. Everyone needs to take some valium and let people pos
t what they want. There's plenty of stuff on Thingiverse that I find offensive, but unless it's illegal, who am I to say... (and to those of you who say guns are illegal in your neck of the world, then don't print it. Don't download it. Don't make a digital file into an illegal object. But don't
try to restrict my rights to LEGALLY do the same).
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