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Smartrap

by smartfriendz, published

Smartrap by smartfriendz Nov 11, 2013

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**infos**
Main website : smartfriendz.com
Github with all versions , blend files, stl files, assembly files : github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap
Sketchfab Real time view assembly files : sketchfab.com/models/99b9a3673faa4e5c89add6e12a204e35
video channel :
youtube.com/channel/UC4e-Ds78vj5vZtIupWAGX0A/feed
**updates**
-Update 10/23/2014 : after a BIG github cleaning, updated all three plates and stlparts. new : linear guides holders update with screw pressing to hold them tight. no more zcoupler , as we had problem with it. we definitetly use vinyl coupler ( ID4:mm ,OD:6mm ) so cheap and good.
-Update 09/01/2014 : all plates. debug : endX_jhead had wrong GT2 holder, plate_base had too tiny support for screw on Z axis, new bearing_clips on plate X . Had problem with endstops not well aligned with endX and endY part...etc.
- Update 08/19/2014: all plates ! we go back to jhead lite by default. It's more easy to find and source and we have very good result with it. perfect fit. ( soon an option for regpye hot end for high end hot end at a nice price). We have now clamps for lm6uu to have better lock. New endY with 2 screws for a better lock too. Plates X and base have now GT2 holders by default. For other systems, see github. There's a new zip with all parts separated !
- Update 07/28/2014 : plate_1 updated : there was still problems with mirrored objects ( glass holders) . It's ok now
- Update 07/17/2014: direct drive extruder was by default for brass insert gear ( 7mm), now it's back to MK7 ( more easy to find ). base plate has now a more solid base for Z rods and a hole to add a M3x10 to fix it more strongly. some little more changes...
- Update 07/01/2014 : new plates ( all 3 ) : there was some mistakes in parts : bad side for printing, not good size for mk2 tensioners. Update also direct drive body for M4 nut.. stronger.
- Update 06/19/2014 : version 049 become release!
New: everything. It's an evolution of the 046 model with anti wobble system, 6mm rods, separated extruder, 200x200x160 print size, gt2 belt.
- Update 03/12/2014 : all models. This is the synchro from the production model in github.
New: globally , the model didn't change so much, but every part is touched by a more solid or more easy to assemble update.
I can't detail all here, maybe github comits detail more what changes where made.
This is the corresponding parts for the actual picture and soon to come documention on smartfriendz.com. Also the model used in assembly videos.
- Update 02/13/2014 : BOM updated.
- Update 01/17/2014 : Production update: all models changed..a little everywhere for better integration, assembly, stability.
There's now an option for hot-end. end_x_jhead OR end_x_huxley for hot-end huxley type that will be used eventually in smartfriendz kits.
- Update 01/05/2014 : fishingline_holders where missing in this version . Now they are back. sorry for the mistake.
- Update 01/04/2014 : plate_base, plate_x, lm8holder_x : all about endstop switch attach. It was not very well working , not enough space. Now it's ok.
- Update 01/02/2014 : all ends X Y : rod holes where too big. Now back to 8mm.
- Update 12/29/2013 : jhead attach was missing. New plate_x : snap M5 with nuts was not right ( too big).
- Update 12/20/2013 : new version: all updated ! Note you can find old version in the reorganized github in old folder.
What's new : Structure now all printed. Auto leveling bed. new supports for easy to remove glass bed. new plate_x more stable. adjusted bearing holders.
New video showing auto leveling bed : youtube.com/watch?v=2k6T-Epg0EI
- update 12/12/2013 : new plate_base. there was a mesh problem for slicing. This version works well here with repetier host and slicr3
- update 12/10/2013: Appologies!! there was a bug with plate_base: the bearing for extruder was always too far ( was 23mm diameter in my blender:( . Sorry about that. it's repaired now.
Updated BOM also.
- update 12/09/2013: plate_base: changed extruder positioning. Was a little too far to press the filament right. I think on a more adjustable solution back. If something's wrong we need to re-print the all plate_base: not good.
- update 12/08/2013: new plate_x, thx to hwiguna feedback. was a bug on one of the bearing holders too tight and not aligned.
- update 12/04/2013 : new plate_x : there is now a new smapping system to insert the M5 bolt . Really more easy to setup.
- Update 11/30/2013 :** Version 0.4.5 : lot of changes again! what is new :
1- new linear bearing holders. old one was breaking. now it's separate holders and it's straight.
2- smaller base plate with reversed extruder.
3- fishing line tensioners. more easy to setup the line ( separate documentation to come soon to explain the process)
4- new x-end jhead: old mesh was a mess. now it's clean and with a new system to attach the fishing line
There is a zip file with old version 0.4. To have the all history, you can use the github.
- Update 11/26/2013 : add V0.5 preview in gallery: lot of changes are coming! thanks to YOUR feedbacks. Rack and pinion, snap Lm8uu, no more wood need, etc :)

- Update 11/25/2013 : New link to the official doc reprap.org/wiki/Smartrap_Build_Manual
*(work in progress...)*
- Update 11/20/2013 : ALL FILES ! Moved rods on X and Y up. There where too near to the plates. A side effect was the lm8uu very tight to insert and broke some holders.
Also re-aligned the X axis to let more space between X rods and Z lm8uu holders. There was sometimes a friction between both axis X and Z.
- update: 11/18/2013 : replaced x_end_jhead. smooth rods boleans where missing,

- update 11/18/2013 : new changes in all three plates : lm8uu holders was too tight. now larger, so less risk of break.

- update 11/17/2013 : updated plate_X and plate_Y : there was some bugs in lm8 holder size and position + M5 holder was too low under the plate.
- update 11/15/2013: printing with customized v0.3. videos are right under here.
the shaft coupling 5mm is there : thingiverse.com/thing:107935
replaced plate_base ; the bearing of the extruder was too far (from my tests) . Now should be better. NOTE: it's a setup for a 1.75 mm filament. for a 3mm, the extruder part should be reworked.
IF all coming well, those files will become customisable with thingiverse api!
- update 11/14/2013 : upload version 0.4. put v0.3 in zip file archive.upload new blender renders. starting to print and assemble v0.4.
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##The smartrap
This is a new design of a reprap 3d printer. It is in the spirit of the printrbot simple , designed by Brook Drumm , a very great designer in my opinion. He found lot of great ideas .
I tried to make it even simpler and this one is made with printed parts only so it's easy reproducible.
It's also full GPL , meaning open to any business.
The main features are :
- Easy to build AND unbuild : This is the main target focus of this project. The goal is to reach a point where the builder will feel like playing LEGO. This way , more people will come to grow the reprap community and make it living. Also, it is designed to be good for experimentation.
- Real Reprap : GPL licence, Structure is all printed , no special tool needed, no precision operations to do at home, reproducible at the most.
- Cheap : the target is home use and experimentations of 3d print. It should stay at the lowest price possible! ( it's nice challenge also).
Up to date Informations and pictures, videos and soon, docs!!! are on reprap.org/wiki/Smartrap_mini.
Please consider to check also github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap to be sure stl files are up-to-date here ? Normally they are , but in github there's more infos about the debug and different versions. Thank you.
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hi bzboi,

you do just buy 4 pieces of 6mm /300mm long and 2 8mm/ 300mm long. The mk2 will just fit in the holders ( last time i checked :)
Hi all, looking to build a 0.4.9.1 with J-Head Lite, GT2 and 200x200 MK2B heatbed. I'm finding conflicting information about the smooth rod length requirement for that. Do I just buy 4 pieces of 300mm long 6mm smooth rod and 2 pieces of 300mm long 8mm smooth rod? Thanks.
To get good circles/holes you need to do X and Y calibration.
About fishing lines make sure the line is not overlapping and you are using a round shaft motor not a "D" type. shifting issue is happening when the table hits the ends or the glass clamps might be loose, I put mask tape to add more grip on the glass.

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The official assembly documentation is on reprap.org/wiki/Smartrap_Build_Manual
(work in progress, updating quicky)
Thank you.
Hi all, looking to build a 0.4.9.1 with J-Head Lite, GT2 and 200x200 MK2B heatbed. I'm finding conflicting information about the smooth rod length requirement for that. Do I just buy 4 pieces of 300mm long 6mm smooth rod and 2 pieces of 300mm long 8mm smooth rod? Thanks.
hi bzboi,

you do just buy 4 pieces of 6mm /300mm long and 2 8mm/ 300mm long. The mk2 will just fit in the holders ( last time i checked :)
Oct 10, 2014 - Modified Oct 10, 2014
I'm still using the version with fishing line and i printed out some parts with good results. Now I noticed that the prints are shifting either to the left or right. I can't print a straight hole. What seems to be the problem? Does it have something to do with Slic3r or Pronterface? Or the printer itself? What do I need to do?
Oct 10, 2014 - Modified Oct 12, 2014
meshal - in reply to gab0natchi
To get good circles/holes you need to do X and Y calibration.
About fishing lines make sure the line is not overlapping and you are using a round shaft motor not a "D" type. shifting issue is happening when the table hits the ends or the glass clamps might be loose, I put mask tape to add more grip on the glass.
Hi! I am building the j head lite end X. How do you block the bowden tube for it does not move? Do you use push-fit? How do you attach it to the end X?Thank you all
My j-head hotend use 1.75mm filament. Can I fit 3.0mm filament into it?
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I think you need to change the inner PTFE Liner from 1.75 to 3mm and it should be all. I'm refering to this: hotends.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_65&product_id=86.
I don't think so.
hi
this new version 0.4.9.1 with j-head exist with Lm8 on xyz?
thanks
I don't think there is a j-head solution for smartrap. Just for j-head lite that its a lot smaller. LM8 is not main stream and you have to dig into various places on github to put together a set.
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Hello! I would like to ask someone who has built the version with the GT2 pulleys (I think it is the 0.4.9.1). I am going to buy the pulleys and the belt, but... how many tooths does it need? Thank you in advanceed! It is awesome :D
impresoras3dlowcost.com/tienda/15-gt2
Also, how many meters does it need?
Sep 16, 2014 - Modified Sep 16, 2014
ldanut - in reply to jjuasjjuas2
I have used 20 tooth version. If you use 16 tooth you loose precision a bit. You need less than a meter of belt.
xoan - in reply to ldanut
16 tooth has more torque, less speed, and more precision (at 1/16 microstep you need 100 steps/mm)
ldanut - in reply to xoan
With 20 tooth you loose precision a bit. My bad ... sorry. 16 tooth gives you 10micron theoretical resolution and 20 tooth gives you 12.5micron (presuming 1.8 steppers and 1/16 micro stepping). The fewer the teeth the more jitter you get on the belt. Teeth and belts do not match 100% and more teeth lets this average out better. Fewer teeth needs less torque from the motors.
xoan - in reply to ldanut
Good explanation :)
Sep 6, 2014 - Modified Sep 7, 2014
Hi! Can I use cat5e wires for Smartrap? The wire used for network cable.

Do I need to use ABS for endx_jheadlite.stl to avoid melting?

Do I need heated bed if I use ABS filament?
Sep 8, 2014 - Modified Sep 8, 2014
PortaMaker3D - in reply to gab0natchi
Yes, you need a heated bed for ABS. PLA should work for the endx if you use it for printing with PLA, but I don't know about ABS.
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I have used CAT5, too. But you need to add thicker cables for the heater! Do not try to connect the heater via CAT5 or you may get some magic smoke (or the hotend will not heat up enough).

Can't tell you about the endx_jheadlite.stl, because mine is still printing.
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Hi. I noticed on the 4.9.1 version, part endx_jheadlite.stl, the teeth for the belt slot appear to be on the wrong side of the slot. The belt would need a twist to fit in. Or am I seeing things. :)
Hi huxley,
you're right, i've been debugging this one and some other problems for some days now.
It's repaired now and all should be better.
thank you for your feedback
Bonjour du Canada!

That part and a few others show up as non-manifold in Repetier. Also two of the plates slice in Slic3r with errors. For example plate 1 has the bottom support bracket slice with only the holes left instead of the bracket!
Go to netfabb.azurewebsites.net/ and upload the files that give you trouble and put them through. I had the same issues with Repetier and after doing this all my parts sliced and printed perfectly.
Hi! What folder in github should I be looking if i want to print the rack and pinion version?
The design incorporates compatibility for all 3 linear motion methods; so all of the recent revisions support rack and pinion. The files for the rack and pinions are in this folder: github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap/tree/master/stl/dev/V0.4.7
files for more sizes of rack can be found here: github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap/tree/master/stl/dev/v0.4.8
Just print V4.9.1 with a set of rack and pinions.
On the very last version, we miss the hole for the M5 holding the rack on endX_jhead. It will be re-integrated soon. Maybe it's good to try with an older version like 048 or even 049.
well, you was right PortaMaker, it SHOULD be like you said :) (my mistake) .

The new thing to take into account is that we have now a plate_base and plate_X GT2, where the bearing axis are integrated . It was really too much problems to separate them. I will add also new versions for plates without GT2 bearing axis integrated.
So I'm looking for the gt2 variant with 8mm rod, but I'm not sure what github version folder that would be in? Its rather hard to tell just by looking at an stl file.
Aug 27, 2014 - Modified Aug 27, 2014
PortaMaker3D - in reply to MashedTaters
The file would be labeled: "8mm" and as for the "gt2 variant", there isn't one. The design incorporates compatibility for all 3 linear motion methods, so all of the recent revisions support gt2.
Hi! Can I change the torque of extruder motor? When I print, I have to push the filament to help the extruder motor push the filament. If yes, what line should I change on the firmware?
Aug 26, 2014 - Modified Aug 28, 2014
PortaMaker3D - in reply to gab0natchi
There should be a potentiometer (a little dial) on each stepper driver module. This adjusts the current going to the stepper motor connected to it. I would try this first, if it doesn't work use what RexLudus said. I think it does the same thing? What does that do RexLudus? Is this in sprinter firmware? To me that looks like the equivalent of the steps per mm in marlin.
it's in Marlin firmware. I guess so the its the same with the potentiometer thing.
Aug 26, 2014 - Modified Aug 26, 2014
RexLudus - in reply to gab0natchi
go to your configuration.h file and find this line. it's bottom of the page.

#ifdef YOURMOTORMODEL
#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {80,80,4000,85} //x,y,z,e.. so in this stiuation you should change the last number of the array. "85"
#endif
Thanks!

Is that for the torque? The higher the number the stronger torque?
Make sure you also check if the tension from the bearing is too high or to low. I would check that first before you change the torque.
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Aug 20, 2014 - Modified Aug 20, 2014
i dont understand the logic behind of the z axis. anybody explain how it works without servo? also could you please take a pic of it? i want to see it closely. thanks!
Aug 20, 2014 - Modified Aug 21, 2014
RexLudus - in reply to RexLudus
thank you all guys! you are great!
Z-Axis Min-endstop mounted next to extruder. When you do Z-Axis homing and hit table
it press switch. The rest done in firmware.
Video here;
youtu.be/fYPhI6eBUwE
Aug 20, 2014 - Modified Aug 20, 2014
16807 - in reply to RexLudus
It's a simple leadscrew setup. Any motor capable of tracking position should suffice, whether servo or stepper. Position is controlled just like in any other stepper motor, applying current selectively to two independent coils. Was there a more precise question you had?
hi, very nice printer !
any plan to add a fan to cool the print ? (not the top of hotend) ?
hi,
thank you :)
We need to work on that. I'm working on a new, maybe unified , X-end for both huxley type and j-head type . There is some work already for integrating part cooling fan.
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Jul 26, 2014 - Modified Jul 26, 2014
PortaMaker3D - in reply to RexLudus
1-They are micro lever switches.
2-I'm not sure what you mean by 'feeding the system' but RAMPS is an arduino shield aka an expansion. If you use RAMPS you need one arduino mega 2560, and one RAMPS shield with 4 stepper drivers.
I mean i give the power on arduino.
also what do you think about the buying those electronics on here? (i mean aliexpress) aliexpress.com/item/Mega-2560-R3-1pcs-RAMPS-1-4-Controller-5pcs-A4988-Stepper-Driver-Module-for-3D-Printer/1439959836.html
wow, that is very cheap.
I don't know, but that is definitely cheap. Don't you already have electronics?
Serge,I am having a lot of trouble slicing the plates you have here, even after putting them in Meshlab. Can you please send me your GCode to try?Thanks,Samer
Hi Sky,

I had problems with plate_1 ( bad mirrored parts), it should be repaired now ). But i didn't get troubles with repeater here on other plates ?
I will try to send you the gcodes by email.
Hi Serge,

Thanks. I actually had trouble on Repetier for all the plates, and I am not alone. I also know Chris had the same problem. I did get some friends here to do it for me, but I'd like to get your GCode anyway. I have:

0.3mm nozzle and 1.75mm filament
100C bed temp
200C filament temp

The other alternative is to use what I have for the first version of 049 and then have that printer print for me. The Solidoodle settings may be to blame, and perhaps it might also be a version issue. The other thing I might do is slice on anothe rmachine with a later version of Slic3r and Repetier and see what I get. But do send me the GCode at your earliest. Thanks!
Do the current thing files include the option to use a J-Head type hot end instead of the Huxley type?
Hi joe,

There are some models for jhead lite adapted too the last version , but it's still not included here. I'm working on that ( had eventually my jhead lite, so now i need to make it work :). update soon here i think.
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Jul 22, 2014 - Modified Aug 4, 2014
PortaMaker3D - in reply to RexLudus
No.
thx for answer, i bought a 12v 5a adapter. Right now, I've got another problem. :) I finished the hardware part of my smartrap. now I upload the marlin firmware. (also I enabled the lcd and sd card support). But when I push on the controller button there is nothing happen. I find this reprap.org/wiki/RepRapDiscount_Smart_Controller and do the same thing but nothings happen. any idea?
5A never enough if you use extruder heater 20 a pws yes
Does it work tethered to a computer?
yes, actually yesterday I fixed it but also I fried it (just arduino) after couple of hour later (my stupidty) >.< Actually it's work but I cannot flash it anymore. That's why I am asking about electronics on the top. Before the fried thing happen; only the heater thermistor worked. None of the motors worked when I try to move the axis nothing happened. no movement no vibrations. I also checked the stepper driver with multimeter and it showed 0,8-1,2V. Oh, and I checked the motors too, with my 9v battery its give a vibration. Also heater cartridge is not heated. I don't why this happens.

my nema 17 motors number: 17hs4401
Why belts? Did you have some problem with spectra line?
not really. It works very well. BUT, we have 1/3 people hating fishing line, 1/3 don't want to hear about belts and 1/3 don't even believe in rack&pinions :)
so..I did all three, no problems anymore! You can choose, and even build all three and see the differences ( with the same parts).
It's an important point for the all smartrap project on the long term, the view was to have a sort of swiss knife 3d printer, open , and easy hackable ..so with printed structure .
When i see the mods going out everyday , here and in reprap.org forums, I can only be happy about this view :)
Serge,Are all the changes you just made a few seconds ago reflected in the 8mm version? Please shoot me an eMail if so.
Ha, no :( unfortunately. Until i redo all with opens cad, there will be always some little dif between both versions ( time to apply to the 8mm version).
Sorry about that .
NOW i'm not sure what direct drive version i use in 8mm version . Must check. We can see easy, the 7mm version idler has the bearing really not centered .
I am getting the 8mm parts printed. I will find any problems and report back. At this point I must have 4 SmartRaps of various types. I'm wondering if I should be upgrading all of them or leave them as is! I am going to try the rack and pinion version next. I do have a very, very special request though. I have several ballscrews and I am wondering what your thoughts are on using leadscrews for X and Y. Since the motors are all vertical shaft mounted, I'd need to add a bevel gear or some sort of gearbox mechanism.....so you might say you now have a new class of users after the fishing line, belt, and rack/pinion!!!!
guys, what is the name of this green part? imgur.com/ACZz9sA
Good question !
it's a belt_y_hat.stl in github stl/release .
Don't ask me why i've put this name.. i guess it was late night :)
Note there is not for X axis. I need to redesign one because i thought i would reuse this one , but it doesn't fit :( you can simply use a washer also.
Regarding the X axis one: I had some difficulty assembling this part as when I would screw the bearing holder into the X/Z plate the bearing holder base would rotate, making it such that the flat surface was hard to orientate with the X-rods. I was wondering - would it be easier to have "supportbeltbearingx" be printed directly on to the X/Z plate?I did get it, in the end, but it was a bit difficult, I just wondered if there was a good reason they weren't printed attached.
you're very right . It is not integrated because of the 3 systems we have right now ( fishing line, rack&pinions and GT2), with the same model !
I need to find a better way to assemble this axis. Yo ucan see in the model that i've tried to block it from rotation, but failed badly for now :)
We will find , i'm sure .
oh right, yes, that makes a lot of sense. I hadn't thought of that, cheers Serge :o)
What are the different types of auto-leveling that can be used with this? Non-Servo and Servo? What parts are needed for each?
I could be wrong, but as far as I know the new versions only use servo less auto-level.
And what parts are needed for that? What type of sensor is used?
And what parts are needed for that? What type of sensor is used?
I have replaced on my smartrap the X axis entirely based on 0.49 design using 6mm rods and the auto leveling mechanism has a very nice and simple design. It use the tip of hot end in combination with a micro switch. The missing thing I added there was a spring to push down the hot end. Also during probing the hot end must be heated to avoid errors due to residue plastic on its tip.
So how exactly does this auto-leveling mechanism work?
The head is attached to github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap/blob/master/stl/release/huxley_attach.stl that is attached to github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap/blob/master/stl/release/endx_huxley.stl with only one bolt at the right side. This way the hot end can oscillate up and down and at the end of left side of hot end attachment there is mounted a micro switch. To probe the head is moved down into the print bed(slowly) until the support its attached to hits the micro switch. Hope this makes this clearer.
What is recommended to cover the print bed? I am printing on a glass plate - 1.75mm PLA with no heated bed.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll try the wood glue when I get the printer up and running.
I use a heated bed in combination with bare glass. For abs I use diluted abs in acetone and for pla I use blue tape. I plan to upgrade my print bed to PEI coated glass amazonsupply.com/polyetherimide-off-white-standard-tolerance-pei0113/dp/B00CPRDDLY/ref=sr_1_2?sr=1-2&;qid=1392920847&filterBy.feature_twelve_browse-bin=6523581011. I use it on another printer and is really good. You must have heated bed to be able to use it. No more blue tape or abs juice.
SmartFriends Wrote this a while back:
The first 20 kits where printed on glass with uhu glue stick and it sticks very well. But, you need to manage the layer at each print as you have some glue going to the part.
For one week now, i switched to white wood glue mix ( 1/3 and 2/3 water). Paint on the glass. wait it's really dry . It makes a very solid layer.. and it's perfect ! ( for me at least ? ) . I printed 15 full kits last week like this and never touched the glass again. Parts sticks well and pop out quiet easy. I'm just happy with that now .. please try this once ?
Another newbie question - my extruder motor won't go. I've tried switching the lead to other axis, and it's not the motor itself. Is there any way I can force it, just to test it? I've tried putting it up to temp, with and without filament, but nothing I do makes the motor spin, even with manual control. Any advice would be appreciated!
Is the current control potentiometer (adjustible resistor) on the extruder driver set properly? It may be turned all the way down.
Well, I tried recalibrating the pot but no luck. Nothing I did would make the extruder motor move. Any other possibilities? I hope this isn't a broken board or something like that.
I have tried swapping two of the pololu driver boards around and sure enough it's a problem with the driver. I don't think it's the potentiometer, so I'm not sure what else to do with it. I guess I need a new driver board?
You should contact the person who sold it to you and see if they'll send you a new one.
Good thought, I'll have a look when I get home. It seems a very likely answer, thanks!!
hey guys!
I have a nasty issue with my Z motor when homing Z for autoleveling.without servo.
When the Z enstop is proving the bed after clicking for the first time it raises so fast that at the middle of this raising movement the motor can't cope up with the speed and starts vibrating but wont raise the plate.
Tweaking the firmware I managed to prevent this by lowering DEFAULT_MAX_ACCELERATION to 4
and HOMING_FEEDRATE to 30. But the homing is incredibly slow now.I'd love to have my Z homing as fast as you show in your videos, what could be wrong???
Remembering I'm a newbie, is it possible you need to supply more current with the potentiometer?
I was having some issues with my Zrod catching which I managed to mostly fix up with a bit of lube. Might help.
guys, how can I cut those rods? I've got 300mm.
300mm is perfect for this version.
We use that length in production now.
you will need 220x220 bed size.
but you said in BOM file;smooth rod 6mm 2 x 295mm X axis for 180mm printable
smooth rod 6mm 2 x 295mm Y axis for 180mm printable
smooth rod 8mm 2 x 300mm Z axis for 150mm printable
threaded rod M5 1 x 220mm for 150mm printableso can I also use 300mm for threaded rod, too?
I would like to print the current version, but I want to use fishing line. What parts do I need to print for using fishing line?
hi,The current version is compatible with fishing line . You can print all ( there will be 3 parts not needed) But, you will need to get 2 fishingline_support.stl from version 047 :https://github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap/tree/master/stl/dev/V0.4.7If you have motors with flat shaft, there is shaft_adaptor.stl.
Can you please explain what all the other parts are inside the "stl/release" folder? Are they all included in the plate files?
Yes, they are included in the plates.
it's just separated models if we want to print apart.
What are the different types of auto-leveling that can be used with this? And what parts are needed for each?
I've just printed a few parts from the new plate. The part "Directdrive
Idler 10Mm" seem to be the "Directdrive Idler 7Mm" with a moved axis.
the bearing does not clear the cut out. It's close enough to shave of a
few millimetres´with a knife but the part should be updated =)I guess the 7Mm version is used together with the original drive gear and the 10Mm version is used with the Mh7 drive gear, correct?
Thank you bringho ! you're right . I've seen that with the last print i've made and didn't correct for now .
You're perfectly right.. 7mm is for maritime brass insert or mk8 ( 7mm diameter ) and 10 is for mk7.
I will update soon.
One more thing Serge. I printed a couple of plates of the 8mm version and there are several parts on those plates that are placed in a way that is not conducive to printing (largely they need to be turned 180 degrees). Is there any way I can get you to park on GITHUB all the individual parts on those plates and I can turn them over as necessary, or create a new plate as a remix? Thanks!
Ha yes. i'm so sorry about that . It should be repaired since yesterday in github. I had the same problem printing those plates :(
Normally it's all right now ( printing right now).
It's still not completely good, as there is some old parts that shouldn't be printed anymore ( support for extruder bearing is not used anymore.. as an example).
but it's clean now..
tell me if you see other mistake ?
Thank you for your feedback..good as usual :)
Thanks as always Serge! Still waiting to do that Skype someday.
About 07/01/2014 Update : any precisions for the "bad" parts ??? i've just finish to print the plates and don't want, if possible, to re-print all !!
If i remember well, the 2 pinions where bad oriented ( 180 deg reverse).
Hello, sorry if I'm being stupid. I have started building my smartrap from a smartfriendz kit, however I wonder if something is amiss. My hotend bowden tube looks like: i.imgur.com/JfprkeN.jpg, I feel as though there is a piece missing, like this: reprap.org/mediawiki/images/e/eb/BowdenEnd.JPG. There isn't a piece like that (the brass bit) anywhere in the kit ... have I misunderstood something, or should I get a brass union?
Hi rRudeBoy,
In the last versions, for the Smartfriendz kits, the brass ends where replaced by simple M4 nuts. The extruder part is adapted so you just need to enter the bowden in the part. On the head side, you need to put the bowden ( the part where the M4 is right at the end of the cable) in the aluminium cooling part , on the other side of the nozzle, fix the "huxley attach" part with the two screws M3x16 . Then this part will fix the bowden in the head.
There will be pictures today on the smartfriendz site. Sorry there is not actually.
We changed this because we had some little problems with the brass parts that was breaking the filament.
Ahh yes, I see it now - the long thing piece with 3 grooves in it. Looking forward to the .49 build instructions, but in the meantime I'm muddling along :o)
I see that brass piece in the picture on here.
There is definitely no brass piece like the one in the second picture, in that first picture.
What size of threaded rod is required for rack and pinion ?
m5 rods. length depends of the axis length. You can take 10mm more than the smooth rods of the axis.
Serge,I've been digging around GitHub. I found the 049 dev files that are for 8mm rods but I really was looking for the rack and pinion parts. Which ones were you using? I must say, I prefer 8mm only because I can standardize all my acquisitions. Instead of buying 2 types of rods and bearings, I would buy one, 8mm. The Y end parts don't exist for 8mm in dev anyhow, so getting this to work is going to require some acquisitions. Do you know if smooth bore bushings would work instead of ball bearings ones? I am using Nylon bushings on my Heavy Metal SmartRap just because the quality of the ball bearing bushings/bearings vary in quality.
Hi Sky :)
In github, you will find in stl/dev/v.0.4.9_8mm/plates the 4 plates with all parts for a 8mm version with rack&pinions. I use this one in production.
The only thing is that those plates have pinions and z_coupler with flat motor shafts. If youh ave round motor shaft it will be necessary to use parts with _roundedshaft in name from stl/dev/v0.4.7 folder.
I will try to clean up all that soon to have better view of files and options :)
Serge, thank you so much for posting the 8mm version. I really like how smartrap has 3 options for linear motion. I had fun using fishing wire for my first printer. Now, I look forward to experimenting with rack and pinions with 0.49 8mm version.
Thanks Serge, I will have a look. BTW, Chris and I now both have working 'Heavy Metal' printers. Chris is printing on a bed nearly 2 feet long and mine is 20" x 14". I am getting ready to mount the laser before I design a head for the Dremel FlexShaft to CNC.
wow. you, guys, are silly :) i'm very curious to see those size working . It must be very impressive ! Congrats again for the work you did .
I have a grainy smartphone video of Chris' running. Are you monitoring your eMail? I can send it to you. I am also getting ready to do an all metal version that uses a gantry instead of a cantilevered arm. The way I have it, you limit the size of the CNC work area because of the forces on the arm (obviously for printing and engraving this is less of an issue). But if I change it around a little and use a gantry for X, then I can really do some stuff. I have a Vellman K8200 here and when you put the Heavy Metal next to it with the big bed you see it occupies the same space on your desk, but the little box that has everything inside it and below the table makes the footprint really the table. The Vellman, in contrast, is an 8"x8" (200mmx200mm) workspace. So the benefits immediately become apparent. At the very least, I can print some car parts now with a bed this size, although heating it is a challenge. Chris is using PLA, I am using ABS. I am also using the servo-less bed leveling mechanism. Another thing I am planning is to print the entire printer in plastic strictly as a printer (vs. a 3-in-1), which allows me:
1) A customizable pair of systems that allow a change in table size at any time
2) 3-in-1 or 2-in-1 capability (2-in-1 is print and engrave, no CNC when you go all plastic)
3) 6 printed major parts (I have arranged for professional sintering of the X plate) which are the top and bottom plates, the X plate and the Airtripper; 12 parts that are identical (the rod brackets) that can be off the shelf or the printed variety. The remaining parts are either flat stock or angle stock.
4) Swappable head design, undo 2 M3 screws and replace your head. Because you can adjust the tension in the extruder, you can use a larger Bowden tube and then just swap hot ends whenever you want to print in 3mm, or 1.75mm. My hot end is all metal, so we can support nylon and other materials. I am looking at a variation that prints using solder, although that is some ways awayAll in all I am very happy with the outcome. I just want to hear from all you guys in the US who want one!!!!
Hi, I like to update my old version to improve the printing. I would change :
- fishing line -> rack and pinion (because the fishing line often fall off. Is belt much better than rack and pinion? I prefer the 0.47/0.48 rack and pinion version)
- z-coupler -> new design (my screw for the old design is a little bit too long, and it often twist and roll the filament :( )
- anti-wobble parts (to make z more stable)
Is the BOM table which is on Github the newest one(0.49)? I would like to know what else(threads and threaded rod?) do I need to make the above changes. I think the wooden base is a good idea to make smartrap more stable(without shaking?) But it's hard for me to get a wooden plate. Is there any option to make the printer more stable?
Is the new glass holder(lock) better than the old one?
Thanks a lot!
Hi jellyb,
This release is still compatible with rack&pinions. the r&p themselves are not in the plates but you can find the elements in our github in stl/dev/v048 or ../v047 . there's different rack sizes depending of your rods length.
The BOM posted here should be up to date .
If you can't find a wooden plate, you can also load the three bottom elements from stl/old/046/ folder in our github.The new glass locker, after using them are not really better than the old one. I'm still not 100% happy with those glass lockers. I need to work on it.
They work well with some plumbing rubber seal , classical ones , attached with some double tape under the glass.
Thanks a lot :)
Hello guys,I already buy those parts; Mega 2560 R3 + RAMPS 1.4 Controller + A4988 Stepper Driver Module /RAMPS 1.4 2004 LCD and endstop switches.. now I'am going to buy stepper motors.. My question is; I want to build latest version (0.4.9) of smartrap. But I don't know the any other parts -certainly. I mean what's the rods sizes right now? and the other things (added or omitted parts).. is there any list or something to check the parts clearly for the latest version?Oh also, I really confused about this hot-end.. smartfriendz recommend to buy from here: emakershop.com/browse/listing?l=782
But the shipping cost is almost the same with the parts itself. Is that possible to find these parts on aliexpress? Anyone help me to find those parts on aliexpress? :))Sorry for my bad English, I think you get the main idea.Thanks in advance.
Hello, I'm building this too! For Stepper Motors, you need NEMA17 motors, I'd recommend 50oz or more(the holding torque). These are the ones I'm using makerfarm.com/index.php/printer-electronics/nema-17-stepper-motor-66oz-in-d-shaft-motors.htmlFor the rods, the two Z rods are 8mm, the other smooth rods are 6mm, and the threaded rod(s) are 5mm.As for the hotend, that website is practically the only one I could find that sells it. You could use a j-head/lite but you'd need to find or design a different bracket to hold it and still use the auto-probing. As well, with shipping the cost of the hotend is practically the same as a quality hotend sourced locally(do NOT go for the cheapest hotend possible, bad things may happen).
Thanks for quick answer!I make lil search and find these for the motors: ebay.com/itm/5-PCS-CNC-Nema17-for-1-7A-4000g-cm-40mm-length-2-phase-Wantai-Stepper-Motor-/130836372584?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&;hash=item1e76749c68 What do you thinking about them? they're 40mm and 56oz.Hmm then I am going to buy the extruder on recommended site. :/
Those look like good motors, and should be strong enough for this printer. Plus, you'll have an extra in case you need a replacement!As for the hot end(the "extruder" is actually the part the forces the filament though the bowden tube with a stepper motor, at the back and bottom of the printer), unless you can find one on ebay as well, then you'll have to get it from that site.
I sell plastic kits for these here: ebay.com/sch/portamaker3d/m.html?_nkw=&;_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
At the time of writing this I'm all out and printing more. Like many sellers on ebay I can fill custom requests, such as printing the j-head mount when It's ready.
hi portamaker3d, how much do you want for this -latest version 1 july- all printed parts?
So, I'm building a smartrap from the 0.4.8 rack and pinion build. I'd like to keep the rack and pinion(I love the design!) but what parts would I need to change to update to the 0.4.9 design? The one I have already has 6mm X & Y smooth rods, and I didn't see any other differences...
Hi,
Rack and pinion are totally integrated in 0.4.9 ( this version) . I still need to re-integrate the elements here in a plate ( 4 racks or 2 racks of different lengths and 2 pinions). The 4 end X and Y parts have the 3 systems integrated ( fishing line, R&P, GT2).This last version brings exactly that : separation of extruder. I integrated krisdaniels nice direct drive extruder and people can choose to take another one ( geared? ) .For waiting, you can see in github in version 0.4.7 for the R&P elements ( there's 2 versions : round motor shaft or with a flat).
Right now I actually have all of the 0.4.8 parts printed, including the R&P parts from 0.4.7. I just wanted to know which parts from github I'd need to print to get updated. From the looks of it, almost every part changed even a little bit between 0.4.8 and 0.4.9. I'd like to update it without printing too many parts.As well, the 6mm rods and threaded rods I ordered are all oversized full length pieces(from ebay), and each of the 4 rods is 460mm. Since the extra I cut will just go to waste, what's the largest X and Y dimensions that I can use? the Z rods I have are also 400mm long, do you think I'll be able to print up to 300mm? Whatever the max dimensions, I do only have a 1000mm threaded rod to split between all three, so I will have to account for that. I couldn't find any up to date reference about how much is lost on each axis...
Marlin firmware question: Why is G29 used for auto bed levelling, why not G32?
Why G32?
G29 - Probes the bed at 3 points, no transformation matrix.
G30 - Probes the bed at the current location... (buggy)
G32 - Probes the bed at 3 points, and updates transformation matrix.
Well, maybe those codes are the standard ? but in marlin , not. There's no G32 implemented , only G29 ( with transform matrix).
ok,thx!
049 looks lovely, really looking forward to it. Keep up the good work Serge!
thank you.
You all must know it's still not finished. It takes so much time to have a great model, with options with printed structure. but i do believe it can be done ! with help of lot people here .. great ideas. i integrate them in the model... it's improving each time :)
Is 4.9 ready to use because I already started printing them to sell?
ho yes. it is ready for production . I say it's not finished in the way we will still updating for debug and with user's feedback. I use it for production now.
It looks like you can still use fishing line or rack and pinion. Can you confirm this?
Yes. Both ends parts have now three possible systems : fishing line ( need print fishing line tensioners from github) , rack&pinions ( need print parts from github too) and by default GT2 ( as it went out that we can find GT2 everywhere for cheap now ).
Anyone know where I can find a kit of the hot end currently used by the designer of the SmartRap?
What happened with the servo used for bed leveling, is it gone in the current 0.4.9 version?
Hi bringho,Yes. In fact we use a no servo version for some time now ( from github: 0.4.7) . Servo version works well but it was quiet complicated to adjust for newcomers . This one is more simple to install.
IC, that should not be a problem for me ;)I still like to use the servo in a derrivare design, (more rigid with larger build area).I've been looking at the current source code and the servo control still seem to be in there, can you confirm this?
well, with the no servo version, i think i commented one or two lines of code to don't start the servo.. just in case.
but the classical version works great with the servo ? not so much changes in the other version ( just some new defines to setup values).
Thanks m8!I'll start off by building an (allmost) unaltered 0.4.9 ;)
It should be ok :) I build one a day actually with those files . With the time , it becomes more and more debugged.
One or two months more and we will have a real, easy to assemble printer out of the ... printer? lol .
can i use a jhead with 0.49?, i started to print the 3 plates....
The j-head version is still to come. I would like to adapt the already wonderful version you can find in derived work here. It's almost good, we need just a hole for gt2 tensioner. If you plan using fishing line or rack&pinion, it will work directly.
Damn! I was planning to start print the v0.46 today, and the 0.49 comes out..... Could you explain why the 6mm rod instead of the 8mm?
Hi space,
^mm where chosen because it's 1-cheaper : We use simple inox rods and they are definitely cheaper . 2-weight : we extended the printable size to almost 200x200 , so it was becoming really heavy in 8mm.
What size are the rods that you use for model 049?
This version right now is made with 6mm rods for X and Y. In github there is also a version full 8mm rods.. It maybe needs a little update. but mostly it works.
6mm and 8mm, but how long? 300mm?
The 049 version looks good! I'll be building one this week :)
Hi Samer,Sorry for the late reply. You're right, i'm always around anyway :) . Your project becomes real..for sure . It looks really good. i'm sure you will have a lot of opportunities with it . Congrats again ! what a work.. impressive.
clap clap clap. simply genius!
Many thanks. Metal printing is in the works.
Hey guys!I'm loving my smartrap but I have a kind of annoying issue: motors heat
The motors get so so hot that started melting my smartrap's plastic parts during long prints.Even the Z motor which is practically idle all the time (I'm not using autolveveling) gets super hotIs there a way to avoid this issue apart from the obvious placing fans solution??
Yes, you can:
-reduce the current on your motor drivers
- change your motors (take some where current inside coils is very low , i found some 4800g.cm (70oz-In) nema 17 48mm motors that use only 1.2A. they are very strong and stay cool during the whole prints.)But first i suggest you reduce the current inside the steppers. it's the small adjustable pot that are located on top of your stepper drivers.
Turn clockwise to increase and the opposite to decrese current.To calibrate, turn them down untill no motor can move.
Then start some job or use your LCD to perform some move.Increase the current until the motor is running.
Then turn a little more so that you have some margin and that's it.Afterward your steppers should remain a lot cooler during prints and also you will prevent any missing steps from happening.
The ref for the motor i'm using is 42BYGHW804 from wantai motorsyou can get them on ebay by looking for "42BYGHW804 stepper"They should be about 68/70€ for 5 pcs (delivery included) shipped mainly from china. sometimes you can find the same shipped from DE or US depending where you live this can be some quick/cheap way to get them.
Hi Serge,
First off, great design. Really easy and cheap to build.
I'm using the huxley hotend kit from emakershop. My problem is that the cooling is not good enough. The plastic part used to attach the hotend + fan to the X mount gets to hot and deforms after ~30 min with hotend at 190°C. I'm using the "no-servo" plastic parts. What fan are you using and where can I get it?
Hi espenrog,Thank you for your compliment, always nice to hear :)
About the hot end, i don't understand because we are using the very same model . I'm using it to produce kits and it works all day long without problem here.
The truth is, if there's a problem with fan then yes, it will deform. So the fan need to be on each time we warm the hot end.
Did you use the two coil washer under the plastic part ? it makes a great separation between hot and cold parts.
Hi,
Thanks for the fast reply. I've bought the wrong huxley hotend kit... I have the one with separate fan and heatsink. I'll get hold of the right type heatsink + fan.
ho. I guess that's the reason ? maybe just find a way to put a fan and a piece of aluminium ? it should do the job. It's true it won't work without heatsink.
Hey guys. I kind of got bored of trying with the servo so I'm switching to the old school z endstop (no auto leveling) but I can't figure out how to place it. My question is: where the z endstop was before being in the servo holder?
Mine is at the top of one of the Z rods. I designed a mount and parked it there. You can do the same for an endstop at the bottom to zero it out. You'd need a screw on the X plate to adjust how far down it goes before it taps the switch.
hey guys!I'm having 2 problems with auto bed leveling (using servo)1) I can't get to move the servo. After executing M401 or M402 I get no servo movment whatsoever
I have the classic dark blue pololu servos connected to my ramps and jumpered as showin in the picture
http://www.thingiverse.com/make:79199Modified the smartrap (Marilin) firmware as in this video youtube.com/watch?v=6msLOR_EfKc (makerfarm auto leveling)Is there anything that I'm missing, any way to troubleshoot??2)Z homing is super slow.
This is related to DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT. Having the default value of 4000 my motor was skipping steps without any movement (just a really annoying vibration) I swithched to 99 and is working but super slow. How can I calculate the value for this field??Thanks again :)
Checked some 3 month old comments and figured out that the servo goes in the endstops section.
I checked the ramps picture in the github doc but i can't really understand where or how to plug the servo:I can't tell if I should plug the servo in the max Z endstop row or in the one next to it (the one that has 4 pins)
I tried both possibilities (always plugging the brown cable from the servo facing the stepper driver as shown in the github pic) and for both the same result. I hear the "usb disconnected" windows sound, as if it was disconnecting the arduino for some reasonAny ideas??Tkssss!
it does not plug right in, check polarity
It would be great if someone changed this printer so it had a revolving build plate instead like github.com/kory75/R-360-3D-Printer is it not better? i mean it takes allot less space.
Razar - in reply to Razar
Anyone? Is it not a good idea with a rotating platform?
R4C3R - in reply to Razar
Somehow the link doesn't work for me...
It looks simpler, but why change this one? Just make that one.
I think the point of this project is to make the simplest cheapest printer if so a round build plate can help it becoming that why not? If the round plate is more expensive then i see a point in not using it though.
Hi Razar,
The r-360 is a nice project on its own. I don't know why but i've never seen this printer in forums, or anyone building it ?
Smartrap is really another project, and i think we will keep and update the actual design but not switching to another one right now .. maybe later ? who knows ?
Thanks for the response! I definitely see the advantage of having a reliable stable cheap printer like the smartstrap and refining the basic design. I think the R-360 lost traction once the kickstarter was unsuccessful so i hope someone in the reprap community will pick up the torch since it looks very cheep since a few parts can be removed compared to the smartstrap. Because R360 lacks full instructions at the moment i don't see a beginner building it. Even if it seems like a great entry build.
I got a strange problem with the printer. My prints are ~20% too small. But the more strange issue is that it does not change when I change the values in the config.h. I have double checked and I am really changing the values for the motor combination that I am using. Anyone had the same problem yet?
Hi,I had a similar problem where the config.h settings were not applied.Do you have an LCD attached? If so you could verify your settings under --> control --> motionIf these settings differ from the ones you used in config.h you can try to try to use --> control --> restore fail save, which should load the config.h settings.
Yep, that was it. Thanks!
You have a screen ? If yes, go in motion/Retore failsafe.
I assume you re-uploaded the firmware to your electronics and didn't just save it to your computer?
How do you fix the com port for arduino that keeps missing? My pc detects it only when I restart it and then gone after a couple of seconds. My pc is windows 7, 64bit.
I've got it now. :)
Could you make a full length rack so those of us with larger printers don't have to assemble the 2 halves?
Hi porta,Ha yes. good idea, i will add it in github.
On the very last version there ( i hope updated here soon..theres so much changes) , I have good results with new endY with smooth rods at 300mm.. so we get around 180 190 mm print on that axis :) but we need the same length rack now . hu
When do you think it will be up? I need to know If I should wait for it, or keep printing smartrap kits.
Thanks, that would be great!
Hello, why you use NEMA17 motors rather than the NEMA14?
NEMA14 are more compact.
Hi Ghost,
Yes, nema14 would be enough in term of power, but the fact is : nema17 are cheaper for more power.. so we keep using them for now .
Nema17 is more of a standard for these things. Some 14's have been used for the extruder.
Why is a standard ?
I don't really know, I guess that it must have a good balance of size and torque.
Hello. I make it, nad it work wonderfull, I print using heatbed and print ABS. But somthing strange. All models I print is inverted by X - axis. Using Marling and prointerface - printer is return to home position, so endstops is working and placed in right places. When I edit stl model and invert axis X - it print it right. Does anybody know why it is happen?
It sounds like your x-axis is inverted in your firmware. Make sure the direction the HEAD moves is the same as shown in pronterface IN RELATION TO THE BED. When I was first starting I was confused because I was looking at where the Bed was moving not the HEAD.
Serge, When I use 1/3 of UHU wood glue & 2/3 water I get a nice layer for printing, but it is gone after one print.What brand "colle bois" are you using?Regards,
R4C3R
Hi R4C3R,
Ha, that's interesting ! I use an old ikea wood glue , so i don't know what's inside :(
Would be interesting to do some research with everywhere available white wood glue then .With this ikea one, I keep on printing 3 weeks before repaint ! and it's printing the all day .
Do you know whether the glue is waterproof or not?
oops. I don't know. It looks like :) for me it is.
ok, thx. I was using non waterproof woodglue, I'll get some waterproof woodglue from the hardware store, maybe that works better. I'll let you know.
How'd it work?
It works great! I used 2/3 water and 1/3 Ponal (Henkel) waterproof woodglue. 1/2 -1/2 might even give better results. The glue stays on the glass and can be used multiple times, the objects are quite easy to get of the glass. This solution works for me much better than blue tape.
Any help on the auto-level ? G29 makes the procedure, but is doesn't change anything when printing... I have a lcdreprapdiscount (white board) with RAMPs board...
Use the m555 command, it sets the z-offset from the probe to the hot end, example: "m555 z10.1". Where 10.1 is saying that the probe offset is 10.1 mm. Also follow it up with a m500 command to save the value to memory. Reply if you have anymore questions I have a setup similar to yours.
Got it :D thanks. So ya, the G29 must be in the custom gcode.
where can I find pcb for this printer ? The bottom one is standard ATMEGA, how about the upper one ? can you please put it on github?
It is a RAMPs shield. Google is your friend.
Thanks!
There are some other great electronics too that you can use, such as printrboard.
Still busy making it. I love how the design simplifies parts by using the motors as structural parts.
Alright, now the servo works, but with I send G29, it doesn't save... It does the auto-leveling procedure but it does not change anything when printing. Any ideas ?
Guizmo, are you using the firmware from the Smartrap Github?
Does your start gcode in Slic3r or whatever you use look like this?
M109 S[first_layer_temperature_0];set extruder temp and start heating
G28 X0 Y0 ;home X and Y
G29 ;probe bed
G90; set absolute coordinates
G92 E0; reset extruder distance
G1 X10 Y10 F3000 ; move to back right corner
Z still not auto-leveling
Are you using the firmware with servo or without? Which version is your printer (4.7 or before)?
No servo Z-offset.I am trying to use the no servo z-probe, but I can not set a negative z-offset.
So when running G28 or G30 I end up with the nozzle on the glass and M114 reports z 2mm.
What to do?
Hi ,
Happy it wired eventually. But it's true with the classic marlin, you won't be able to edit negative values. That's why i made an update with a new marlin on github ( no servo version ). Offset passed to positive values ( usually between 1.5 --2mm) .
With this one you can edit offset values from an lcd .
Yes, just use the no servo version Serge has on Github. Never mind the +/- values, the no servo firmware handles that, just set the offset distance and it will work.
There is a way to mount a fan that will blow over printed part for huxley hot end?
Hi idanut,
I didn't design such a thing, but i guess there is still place to do ? i think on the side.
Warping issuesI have significant warping issues which can't seem to get rid off. I use blue painters tape on the glass bed for adhesion of the PLA, print my first layer at 200 degrees celcius and consecutive layers at 175 degrees celcius.The PLA adheres very good to the blue painters tape, but when warping occurs it lifts the blue painters tape from the glass bed.Any suggestions on how to get rid of the warping? Further lowering the print temperature?@Serge, do you experience warping when printing on your smartrap? I assume the SK15 was printed on a standard smartrap, and those parts looked really nice. Any advice?
Hi R4C3R,
I print at 200 degrees all along , 175 seems a little low to me ?
The first 20 kits where printed on glass with uhu glue stick and it sticks very well. But, you need to manage the layer at each print as you have some glue going to the part.
For one week now, i switched to white wood glue mix ( 1/3 and 2/3 water). Paint on the glass. wait it's really dry . It makes a very solid layer.. and it's perfect ! ( for me at least ? ) . I printed 15 full kits last week like this and never touched the glass again. Parts sticks well and pop out quiet easy. I'm just happy with that now .. please try this once ?
I'm using Aqua Net hair spray. I just mist the glass. good for 5-8 prints. then just wash the glass, everything comes right off, spray and go again.
Just to clarify, your PVA white wood glue does not stick so hard to the printed part that you have to coat the glass between prints?
exact ! I was surprised after the glue stick or blue tape ( where i need to re-arrange something between each print). With this one, the layer is harder and stay on the glass ! i count more than 10 prints before i have to paint again .
that's very good point for me.
That sounds great, will test asap, but on a plywood bed =)
I strongly advise you use hairspray. Something like aquanet holds it down nicely especially if your plate is warm.
I'm having issues with pushfit connectors and bowden tube. It seems they allow very small tolerance to PLA filament and i get tons of jams at the point where bowden cable threads into pushfit connector that goes into huxley hot end. Does anybody had same issue? Did anyone tried using these: openedge.eu/product/pneumatic-fitting-4mm-tubing/ ?
Serge,
I've done a modification to have a 9gTowerpro servo. Because its different from your modification. What do I have to do to make it work ?
Hi,Well, the 9g towerpr should work , no ? I think i have the same as you . Can i know what doesn't work ?
Tested: Github original Marlin with my configuration.h = Servo work!
Your Github Marlin with my configuration.h = Servo doesn't work
It doesn't move at all. I've tried with 3 different servo and it still doesn't move. Maybe its my connection ? Where can I find the connection diagram ?
Guizmo, the Smartrap Marlin has the servo connected on the Z Max endstop pins. You have to swap the + and - wires in the servo connector. It should be S-+ in the connector. Use M280 P0 Sx (where x is the servo arm angle) to test what angles your servo needs for extension and retraction. Put those into the proper place in your configuration.h. Use M401 and M402 to test the servo after you upload the new configuration.
Alright, now the servo works, but with I send G29, it doesn't save... It does the auto-leveling steps but it does not change anything when printing. Any ideas ?
GOOD !!! thank you so much !
Is it only me or is there an error on the stl file base plate with the Bowden holder?
One of the holes to attach the nema motor does either have a thin wall that slicer thinks should be open or I got a bad print right there?
Only wondering as I printed the parts to have something to compare with while doing my wooden smartrap.
Hi,I didn't noticed that ? I print here 15 kits per week now with those files and haven't any problems ( well I have, but not this one :).
wooden smartrap ? ho hoo.. that's interesting ! pictures ? i'm curious now :)
Ok its a bit to early but it shows my intention with the design????http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?344,339615,339615#msg-339615
I think this is a brilliant idea. I have had stability issues with the base when I tried to get the axis longer than currently specified and if I am to add CNC capabilities, a stable base is a must. Personally, I would machine the plate out of Aluminum (and this is something I can do in-house). In the corners, I would machine re-inforced L-shaped brackets to use as feet and give the thing rubber feet on screws to adjust the overall leveling of the thing. All bearings would be mounted with pillow blocks which is 1 step closer to my all aluminum approach. Serge, this is what I am talking about with CNC-ing a unit and then mounting a suitable head.
Thanks skyrider :)
I have updated with my latest mockup image that shows more wath iam after :)
The same link.
Since I am taking some time off, I took the liberty of cooking something up. When I get to my printer(s) I will print my base plate/y plate combo, then I will take that and clamp it to a piece of aluminum, then with my drill press drill all the holes (it's a flat sheet) and voila -- no more bearing holders and the two places are now one. Also the plate is designed to accept an AirTripper extruder bolted right onto it. I will test alignments in plastic, but then replace that piece with Aluminum. In the next day or so, I will do the same to Plate X. In my approach, the Y-End pieces have to be adjusted, but even those will be machined out of metal. In a very short time, I will be able to produce all metal SmartRaps capable of CNC-ing and laser engraving. So far, the only printed part is the Extruder....anyone intrigued by all this?
Also don't forget that you might nead to move the airtripper holes on the plate like I did because the version to screw on any direct drive extruder .They are mostly a bit higher then the combo version.
And with a single base plate did I get it to that the plate gets slightly lower ???
Sounds cool :)
Its fun if I can motivate people with more skills to do wath iam after ;)
I have also updated my thread with more wath iam doing and will continou to experiment.
Ok, so I had someone else look at this to check my alignment and so far so good. I am willing to post the STL, but to illustrate what I am doing one shows it with the pillow blocks and a sample pulley and the other is just a flat plate with a lot of holes. What it results in is a 'box' inside which the vertically oriented steppers are and some slotted walls can totally enclose the bottom of the printer. Note that I don't have the holes for the end stops and no holes for the extruder. This is because I want to test fit the printed extruder and then try my all metal Printrbot extruder too. Ultimately, if this goes as well as I think it will, most of the parts will be machined out of metal. Once that is done, the J-Head gets modified to accept the dremel extension and/or a laser. Some things: the End Ys for my plates have to be revisited in this case to allow the pillow blocks to fit in. Anyway, if anyone is interested, I'll post a remix but understand that this isn't ready for primetime and it's not something I suggest you print.
Hi Skyrider,Keep on posting! I like your idea and am looking forward to see the results!
I have something I can show you....but I'd need an eMail...
Couldt you simply post an image of your work in my thread ?
I don't mind and think its extremely fun to see wath other do with ideas I have and I could learn and change some of my things.
Simply write that you also are working on a remix :)
I will post something as a remix tonight
I cant wait to see wath you have tinkered with :)
You asked for it....check out the remix....http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:300306Seriously guys, is there interest in an all metal version?
People wants a all metal printrbot so why not a all metal smartrap?
And you have some intresting things mentioned about being able to turn it to a cnc machine.
If you make it simple to change the mount for the hotend with a dremel mount to cnc some plates so do I see a market.
Oh I know I can do it. My first printer was a Fab@Home done that way (printing with epoxy paste and had a CNC head). Actually I retrofitted it already and that works nicely so far and will work even better when I ditch all the belts and use leadscrews for all 3 axes. I already have 2 folks who want one of these.....so now I'm inspired to do the remaining plates. I will attempt to get those done this week and machine the parts as soon as possible.
My mockups are very early but I will post my progress wheni get closer in the reprap forum :)
My idea is very simple and use a single 6-7 mm plywood as a base that have the dimensions 120X200 mm.
Everyone are doing this as a bottom plate but I do it a bit different :)
So far have it already removed a lot of the larger parts in the base.
Later this week will I try to post some screens on the reprap forum.
And when I get further here as a remix ;)
What servo are you using in the holder? I have a micro servo but it doesn't fit in the holder!
Serge uses the pololu micro servo which is a 3.7g servo. I use a Turnigy TGY-1370A 3.7g servo.
thanks :)
Hi Serge!
I almost done, but some very strange thing - when connect servo (SG-90) it turn in wrong direction when autoleveling. I have Ramps 1.4 and wire it in picture github, but reverse polarity to work it. May be somebody know the code to change direction? Thank you
M280 P0 Sx (where x is the angle for the arm.) 88 was mine, so I edited this line in the Marlin Configuration.h file.//smartrap : version pololu servo (dark blue)#define SERVO_ENDSTOP_ANGLES {0,0, 0,0, 88,10) // X,Y,Z Axis Extend and Retract anglesUse M401 and M402 to test extending and retracting the servo arm.
Have you by chance done any more 'artistic' prints with the current generation of Smartraps? Like the zombie hunter head or the Owl?
Under my Build thread on the reprap forums is a pic of my scaled down print of the Zombie Hunter
Very nice!
hey guys,

I'm having a problem with the bowden bearing.
It seems that the mk7 gear is not close enough to the bearing so when the gear spins on it's axis the filament stays in the same place.

I believe this issue is related to the torque not being enough to push the filament trough the bowden tube as when I try without a bowden the gear makes the filament move (and there is bearing spinning as well)

I uploaded a video that shows what I'm trying to explain here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoF8OwZuX-I
(Take into account that the quality is pretty poor (out of focus) as I used a really old camera)
Hi Ioskiorama,

I understand very well your problem there. I've noticed a little late that there's no real standard for MK7.. you can have from 10 to 11 mm diameter depending of the source.
I choose to make simple and a full integrated extruder.. but of course , when something's wrong, you need to reprint the all plate base :( which is very not nice.
There will be an update with a separated extruder, for all settings .. maybe two extruders because i see now we are speed limited with direct extruders . If we go too fast, we need more couple to pass through the nozzle.
There's a nice rework with a rock stock direct extruder.. maybe a good idea for waiting ?
Serge,
Both Chris and I are using the Airtripper remix for the bottom plate. This allows us to vary the force on the filament. Unfortunately that also offsets the extruder motor slightly which makes unusable some of the base pieces. I will post pictures of my remix in a few days after I am done fiddling but the upshot is this:
1) I use thermoplastic inserts in various holes to avoid the use of nuts and to reduce wear during disassembly
2) The motors themselves serve very well as a solid base. A small piece of 1/4" acrylic to which everything can be bolted down will hold it all nicely
3) The Z lead screw is slightly angled, but if you use Serge's coupler that doesn't introduce any major wobble
4) The holes for the Z-rods take 8mm rod but are slightly undersized (at least if you printed the parts in ABS). You have to ream the holes out.
5) Same thing for anywhere you have 8mm rod holes
6) The end-y parts have this issue, but the tabs for taking a glass plate are fragile not because of design, but because of print *direction*. The layers are in a direction that makes any major downward force on them cause the tabs to snap off. Pre drill them and use screws to hold a plate down and put the glass on that. Failing that consider coating the tabs in CA glue and let cure.
If anyone is interested, you will see that you can give the SmartRap a very small footprint. In my remix the controller is mount under the moving table and a heat bed is above the table on 4 springs to allow the bed level to be adjusted/corrected for any errors that occur. At some point in the next 2 months I will make the design available as an assembled model in the US using a Melzi board and, if desired, a Panelolu 2 LCD controller. If this interests you, shoot me an eMail.
Serge,

I have a question: if I'm not mistaken, you use Slic3r in combination with Repetier. In Repertier, there is an option for the printer settings. If you go in these settings and click behaviour, you can set the "travel feed rate". What speed are you using?

Another question: what speed do you use in Slic3er for the infill?

thx for letting me know.

regards,
Hi R4C3r,

In repetier, i let all the values by default.
For slic3r, i've put the init with all values on our github. infill is set actually at : 45mm/s
Ok, I had that too, but at high speed 45mm/s my extruder stepper motor starts skipping steps quite frequently. I can't figure out the problem. Stepper motor drivers aren't hot, it has got plenty of current, 4.8kg/cm holding torque, not too much pressure on the idler. The problems disappear when I reduce the speed to ca. 35mm/s.
thingiverse.com/thing:283300

he did it :)
But mostly, I have a little the same behavior when i have a nozzle , not so clean ? it becomes a little hard to push.
Normally, you can push filament by hand and shouldn't be so hard.
It's sensitive.. maybe that's why i'm looking for going back to geared ( printed gears) extruder also.. i find them more easy to pass everything :)
With 35mm/sec the extruder works flawlessly, nice & smooth prints. I don't need the ventilators anymore, which caused significant warping by the way, because the airflow cooled the printing ved too much.
Ha great.
I can make it run at 40..45 with a huxley , 0,5 .
I'm not so happy for now with all my tests and direct drive extruder.. I wonder how you guys go fast with your printer and a direct drive ? even with a nema17 52oz. It clearly miss power for me, until i miss something.
Does the BOM include everything needed to start printing, or just some of it? Also, could any of the wooden planks be switched out for a printed part? My new 3d printer (on the way probably) prints 10" x 10" x 10". Could I sub any parts?
Hi lucas,
The bon needs ( always) to be checked, but normally, it should include everything to have a full printer.

The wood plank where retired form the design some time ago. you will see 3 base_plate replacing it.

On the last version, i will give 2 options because we at smartfriendz , need t add a plank to ship the glass ( 50% of shipping glass where broken). So, as we ship it, let's use it ?
I am highly recommending to use "Z-isolator" . It improves Z quality a lot. Such as thingiverse.com/thing:220037. it's simple and very efficient at least at my M90.
Hi karabas,
Very interesting indeed. I load the model and try to adapt to the smartrap.
z wobble is real problem , and it's even exaggerated on the smartrap design with the porte a faux.. so any good solution is to be very much appreciated.
this one looks good. thank you .
There are several on thingiverse. Use search. All you need is to print it such way to minimize friction between isolator and z- carriage. I thought about making it from ptfe but really it does not necessary.
Thank you ,

I'm looking for them. you're right, what we looking for is simple. i will try to design one well adapted to the smartrap.
Hello, I'm going to create one of this amazing printer. I can design a z-isolator for it. I'll keep you posted.
Hi thiago ,
would you do that ? that would be wonderful ! I'm so busy with the production that i didn't have time for now, but actually, there is nice wobble on the smartrap i would dream to get rid of !
If you have some little time.. i would be your first tester ! hehe.
thx !
Hi Serge! I'm one of those who's having trouble installing servo. I found a video of auto bed leveling without servo. Does it mean it's ok not to use the servo? Is there extra steps to do it?
Hi gabonatchi,

Well, this new system is just setup from yesterday but im' very happy with it . I will update here soon now ( it's in dev in github, but a little messy ).

It's quiet simple to update : you need to take from github/stl/dev/0.4.6

end_x_huxley
huxley_attach
endx_support_endstopZ

then the assembly should be quiet easy ( help from the video ? ) .

after that, there is a marlin in github too. BUT.. it's still messy in a way that the servo lib is still there and i only commented two methods. Rest is setup only.
you need also to reload the slicer init geode. we add a z move up after probe to get out the head from the plate. Or you will scrape the head on the plate.. not nice :)

I will update with a more clean version soon.. i'm working on it . BUT..it works really well and it's more secure ( cannot miss the head ) .
There is no endx_support_endstopZ file. There is a zstop_attach
Ho, yes. sorry. i cleaned it up .. it's stop_attach.
Hi,

A friend have print all parts from "Thing Files". But it seems that bottom_z_extruder.stl is not the same than the one you use in the video "Smartrap : from box to print - part 1/2".
Do you have a new stl file I can download ? I have clone GitHub sources but I didn't find the good one.

Thanks.
Ludo
Hi Ludo,
From the video, it was a very large bottom taking all both motors, but unfortunately, it didn't help much more than the small actual one. It was just there in case the plate would be "not so plate" .
I think we can find it in the history in github . It's not used anymore.
Hi,
Ok, I see !
Thanks.
Hi,

My SK15 got supplied with 0.9deg stepper motors. In the configuration.h I recognized that there might be different motors.

// motors definitions - ! AT LEAST ONE SHOULD BE ON / UNCOMMENTED

#define motors09 // version 0.9 degres motors. change steps

// #define motors1848 // version motors 1.8 degres, 48mm long

// #define motors1840 // version motors 1.8 degres, 40mm long . this one has a shaft adaptor and changes steps

However I'm not sure the settings for the 0.9 degree motors are correct.

// default settings - smartrap: uses define on top for different motors config

#ifdef motors09

#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {394,394,7400,170} // smartrap : version 0.9 deg. 1/16 {382,382,7400,170}

#endif

#ifdef motors1848

#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {194,194,4000,85} // smartrap : version 1.8degv{194,194,4000,85}

#endif

#ifdef motors1840

#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {99,99,4000,80} // smartrap : version 1.8degv{194,194,4000,85} robotdigg.shaft adaptor,fishline big

#endif

For the 0.9 degree stepper motors I would expect the following settings:

X-axis: 400*16/(3,14159265*5) = 407
Y-axis: 400*16/(3,14159265*5) = 407
Z-axis 400*16/(0,8) = 8000
Extruder MK7: 400*16/(10,56*3,14159265) = 192

#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {407,407,8000,192}

Any thoughts on this?

Regards,
Hi,
You're perfectly right in your calculations, and i had the same values when i calculated for 0.9 degrees motors.
Unfortunately, when i measured resulting printed parts... it was wrong :(
I dont really know why, but eventually, i've found that those actual values gave me the right mesure on real parts.
I suspect the ticknesss of the fishing line playing ? ( when i use thicker line, i need to update the values).
the most strange happen with Z .. I suspect autolevelling ( always Z moving ) with nut backslash playing here ?
I will be super happy if you try on your side and tell me your results ?
Are you using 394 or 382? Because in the settings it said 394, but in the remarks is said 382.

Like you I discovered that the theoretical values didn't work. Your values seem right.

I made my first print, but it didn't work so good, still need some tweaking on the extruder. Sometimes it slips and it seems like not enough filament is ejected from the nozzle.

I'm an absolute newbee with 3D printing, so still a lot to learn.
I use 394.

About the extruder, I wanted to make it simple and integrated but depending on which printer it is made, we can have some small deferences and it won't work as good as expected.
I think soon there will be an update with an extruder using springs ( maybe those double coil washer? i use hem for huxley head, they are small and good springs).
Hi Serge,

After some experimenting I made some changes to the motor settings. I found that the Z axis was a little bit off with 7400 steps. I increased it to 8000 steps and now it is perfect. Also the extruder needed some more steps. I'm working with this setup now for the 0.9 degrees stepper motors:

#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {394,394,8000,185}

In the past few days I've come across some issues, which I have been able to address in the following way.

Nozzle blocking problem solution: For the first layer (PLA) I use 200 degrees celsius like you, but I found that using 200 degrees celsius for the following layers would result in the temperature creeping up the filament and blocking eventually the nozzle at the point where it goes from the PTFE tube in the stainless steel bold. I reduced the temperature setting to 185 degrees celsius for the consecutive layers and I'm happy with the results now.

Adhesion problem solution: After using nothing and Pritt (glue) on the bed, I have changed to blue painters tape. The blue painters tape works really well! no more adhesion problems.

Stepper motor driver overheating: I found that the stepper motor driver for the extruder was overheating, resulting in slipping / skipping / jerking of the extruder stepper motor. So for the moment I don't completely fill up the printing bed, but print single items instead so that I have short print runs. Maybe I should attach an extra fan that points toward the stepper motor drivers in order to actively cool the stepper motor drivers.

Regards,
Hi R43C,
You're right. I think i've changed also on my side. After our talk and more tests, it was too short.
But, i can't go to 8000 for Z..and that's the most silly for me as it SHOULD be 8000 ! there;s no known reason to have 7400.. but i get the right hight with 7400. I will find why one day :)

You're right also about the drivers.. I've learned since I shouldn't put any cooler on top because it cools down from bottom.
I will update with a side little fan to cool down. Looks like it's better solution.

thank you for your feedback. I will try to go down with the temp too.. I'm certainly too hot, it causes problems for small parts ( deformation).
Hi,

Got another question: how do I calibrate the off-set for the auto bed levelling (distance between z-endstop and extruder)?

Regards,
R4C3R
That i MUST document. I will do a short video about that , but mostly :
You make a home X, home Y ..then advance X for 20 , then you can home Z. It will probe Z.
At this point, you can go down manually and count until the head is near the plate ( paper sheet). That's your offset value.
With the smartfriendz firmware, i've add a command M555 which setup the offset. so you can type : M555 Z(your value) , then M500 to memorize it in eeprom.
If you get a lcd, it's in control -> motion -> z offset.

Then you can try a print.
Hi Serge,

It worked!

I used Pronterface to do the calibration, I can easily manually move the axis and send the G-Code commands.

What I did was: M555 Z0 (reset the offset to zero)
Do a homing
Mark the spot on the bed where the Z-probe touched

Move the nozzle manually to the previously marked spot on the bed (paper should still fit between the nozzle and the bed)
Write down Z from the display, Z came out at -15.5
M555 Z15.5 (without minus sign! set offset to 15.5)
M500 (store offset value)

:)

Regards,
congratulations !
I'm happy it worked. You explained the process better than me :)
Go to YouTube and search for AoutoBed leveling....
Hi,

I just got my Smartrap all wired up, including lcd smart panel.

When I use "auto home" from the menu, the servo with the Z-endstop doesn't turn all the way to the bed.

How can I increase the angle of the rotation so that the endstop points all the way to the bed.

Regards,
R4C3R
R4C3R - in reply to R4C3R
Hi,

I've just figured it out and made the following change to configuration.h

ORIGINAL

//smartrap : version pololu servo (dark blue)

#define SERVO_ENDSTOP_ANGLES {0,0, 0,0, 35,100} // X,Y,Z Axis Extend and Retract angles

CHANGED TO

//smartrap : version pololu servo (dark blue)

#define SERVO_ENDSTOP_ANGLES {0,0, 0,0, 10,100} // X,Y,Z Axis Extend and Retract angles

now the Z-probe points all the way down to the bed.
cool :)
well done.
Hey,

I'm having some problems rolling the fisihng line around the y motor shaft
What happens is that the shaft seems to be too short so I can turn more than twice around the motor without having the fishing line coming out from the top

This image shows what I mean thingiverse.com/make:71039

i'm wondering if the y motor should be touching the ground or it should be "floating" pressed by the plate base and electronics plate as I find hard to believe that my stepper motor shaft is to short given that the shaft length is pretty standard

Any help appreciated :)
Love this project
hi ioskiorama,

Unfortunately, shaft length are not standard :( you can find motors with shaft length from 18mm to 25mm.
The only way ( apart from trying the belts setup seen in makes) is to print a shaft adaptor.
I made one but it's not for round shafts, so i need to make another one .
it works well, you need also to adapt the step motors settings in firmware as the diameter changes.
Thank you
I am looking forward for that shaft spool.
found something like thi: thingiverse.com/thing:240857 I may try this or modify a little.
I finally found this thingiverse.com/thing:268496/#files.an it did the trick
Hello, I´m using this for printing on your smartrap and my prusa i2 ebay.es/itm/PHENOLIC-SHEET-TUFNOL-SUBSTITUTE-200MM-X-200MM-X-1MM-/360493305365?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&;var&hash=item53ef134e15&_uhb=1
You can print here without 3m, directly on the sheet. Think better, and more ecologic than 3m.

I´m not seller or similar if you can boy phenolic sheet otherway and cheaper, please post.
Hi aleadom,

Thank you for the link. I will buy some immediately. Any solution to print directly PLA on a bed without heating is higly appreciated.
I will tell you if i have the same results ?
thx
Clear Acrylic works great. Makerbot use them for print table. PLA stick to it well.
Using on my Smartrap now. Easy to make them using lasercut.
clear acrylic ..is it pvc sheets you find everywhere in shop ? ( you find so much different things for thé same name that i don't know anymore)
Hello! I am going to try to build a Smartrap! I have some meter long smooth rods to cut down. How much bigger do you think this can reasonably scale up?
Thanks!
Hi dzdn,
Thx for your interest in this project :) it's always nice to see new builders :)
Let's try 1 meter all axis ? ok..i'm kidding.
I'm doing some tests actually with 300mm Y (the base one ) . It gives around 200 mm printable.
for Z , you can extend to 400mm i think ?
for X , it can be more complicated actually because i'm still not 100% happy with the porte a faux system. you can try 300mm too and try to re-inforce the plat_x . On a old version i had a plate under the motor x with bearings on Z. I think i will come back to this solution as it's more stable.
That's all i can say for now :)
Thanks for the quick reply! 200mm printable would be excellent.
I am going to start printing the parts on my current MakerFarm Prusa i3 (6"). I will let you know how everything works out.
Also, I am planning on using 3mm filament, as I already have some of that, and got the correct sized tubing for it. Would I need to modify anything for this to work?
Hopefully I will be posting soon with a progress update!
Thanks again!
I'm wiring up my smartrap now but I have a question on the servo wiring. Using the photo from the github documentation.
Where it saying to plug in the servo is S,-,+ like an airtronics servo, but the normal JR/Futaba servos are S,+,- is what I have.
i assume i need to swap the servo wiring to match the ramps board? Is this correct?
hi madmike8,

It's exactly that. All servos are S,+,- but the connection i've choosed ( it can be other way of course) on the ramps was to use a Z+ port , and it's S,-,+ there.
After that it should work . Don't forget to tell the right pin to the firmware.
Hi Serge,

Could you please tell me of a reliable place to get a new j-head hot end. The current one that I have doesn't have any info on it, and I don't know what thermistor value to put into Marlin. I believe it is reading the wrong temp because Repetier says 200, but I grabbed a thermocouple from work, and it says 100 on the outside of the heater block.
Hi camcknight,

Unfortunately, a part the original j-head website ( where i find too expensive), the all market seem to be spoiled by low quality j-heads. I've bought 5 in the beginning of smartrap production and i never could make them work more than 5 minutes. It went all blocked :(
That's why i switched to huxley type with a very good maker in uk. After 50 head , i'm still happy. no one problem !
I apologize if I mess up the discussion. This is my first build of 3d printer. It turns out I bought a different mechanical endstop, it doesn't fit on the slots. What type of endstop exactly should I get for this?
Can we get the proper bom in thingverse and git. I'm trying to build, and finding a consistent bom is not easy.
It would be nice, but for now I just watched the assembly videos and wrote down what he used. From what I remember of things not on the BOM was m3x20 screws, m3 nuts, and a 3.7g servo.
If anyone is interested. I'm using a Turnigy TGY-1370A 3.7g servo. They are $2.88 from the Hobbyking USA warehouse.
The exact drive gear(s) for the extruder is also missing. (see a couple posts down)
I had ordered the correct mk7 one, so I didn't notice, but yes your right. Get the Mk7 and not the maritime one. You also need more m4 nuts than described but I bought the screws/nuts in bulk so I haven't made a count of them.
All,

I modded the jhead attach part to include a 40mm fan mount on it. I have printed it out but not tested it yet. If you use it, let me know how it works.

thingiverse.com/thing:271512

Thanks,

PCChameleon
Thank you. It looks very simple and efficient. Next time i mount a j0head i will try this one .
Bonjour Serge, Je me demande comment l'imprimante réagit quand le pièce et plus haute. Puisqu'il n'y a pas de support sur les guides, les vibrations et le mouvement de la tête doit tout de même altérer l'impression. Pour me convaincre de faire cette imprimante j'aimerais voir une haute pièce imprimer et même montrer qu'il n'y a pas de jeu quand la tête est haute.

Autre question, avec le hardware que tu propose en version Raw sur ton site, quel est le printable space ?

Merci d'avance !
Bonjour,
Bonne question, je dois poster une video avec un objet plus haut. D'apres mes tests, ca ne bouge pas a 100mm, mais j'avoue ne pas avoir testé a 150mm .. a faire d'urgence.
Le kit, comme le kit hardware donne une zone d'impression de 150x150x150 max.
Problème avec le Z probe. Le servo ne bouge pas. J'ai remarquer que tu as changer le Marlin.
I'm on my way to building one of these and at this point, I am about clueless as to which extruder gear I will be needing. I'm having the parts printed for me as this is going to be my first printer and the print is from yesterdays files on github. Your docs say to use a maritime models unit but sense you failed to mention which size, it left me guessing and now I fear I ordered the wrong one. No real big deal until I take into account the cost tripling with shipping! So, maybe someone can tell me EXACTLY which extruder gear I need before I go pi$$ing away any more of my money trying to figure this out. Thanks.

Aside from this little bit of frustration, I am really looking forward to getting this little guy together. I'v been wanting to get into 3D printing for a while now and this looks like a good first step.
Hi quick61,
First, sorry for the mistake in doc. I tried to update, but there's always a new thing coming, as we where finishing to adjust a model for our production kits.
Now it's more stable, so I can at last make this all models and doc all together.
We use now mk7 gear models as it is more wildly available and more standard than maritime models.
The last models are made for this gear, but i want to put also a compatible model for the maritime.
usually, maritime are 7mm diameter , mk7 around 10mm, and mk8 also 7mm.
MK7 works fine for me: ebay.com/itm/271379388074?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&;_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Thank you. Just put one on order. Fingers crossed.
Can we get the new updated parts posted to match the picture please?
Serge,

I'm a first time builder and wanted to let you know that I am having great success with your design.

It went together easily and it printed very well within the first couple tries.

I am still trying to dial it in through printing calibration objects. Have found that slic3r and cura produce different results for the same stl file. I'm sure its just a difference in settings, but there is not a lot of commonality between the two and I am a newbie.

What slicer are you using? Can you share you settings?

Thanks,
Roy
hi botbuilder,
Thx for sharing your experience. It is the real meaning of this project to make it the most possible easy , cheap, and good quality reprap , i would say .. real , printed , reprap :)
I'm using slic3r and i share the settings on github at the root of smartrap folder.
Serge,
Your Slic3r file states that the nozzle diameter is .35mm, however, the emakershop website states that the Huxley is sold with a .5mm. Are you really running with this diameter, or is it your tweak in Slic3r?
Hoho.. there's a problem in export then. Yes i run 0.5 mm . I will reload the settings to see what happens.
I just checked on github and it's .5 nozzle. was updated 3 days ago..maybe you have the old one ? ( in the begining i had j-head in .3)
Hi camcknight,
ok. it's my fault ( bad doc), but tis coming.. see the doc folder on github.. it's still not complete but will be very soon now ( i need it done this week).
Basicaly, i don't plug the servo on servo ports because all is made in software. So i used Z_Max port ( there's a signal,- and + aligned there. So my firmware wait for the servo at this pin. Just take care because ramps - and + are inverted from the servo connector.
I just updated marlin to have the last version. There is now a M555 Zxx command where xx is the Z offset from extruder value. It is useful because this value change very often, at each assembly ( it's the difference between z-enstop and the head).
Where is the Z_max port that you are referring to on the Ramps board? I look forward to seeing your new documents! Can you post when they are complete?
the marlin in github is configured for that. you can see in file pins.h , there's a arduino section and the right pin assignment is there.
after that.. it should work :)
I found the picture of the pin assignment for the servo, and I placed it there. I made sure that the wiring of it is correct, + to +, - to -, and S to S. I clicked print, and this time no movement at all from the servo. Any ideas?
Had the same issue. Think it's a firmware bug. Servo 0 doesn't respond, but if I plug the servo into the next slot and say there are 2 servos and use servo 1 instead it works.
Thanks for the info, glad I'm not the only one. What did you have to do in order to get the second servo to work and not the first?
I used servo 1 slot and set the following:
#define NUM_SERVOS 2 // Servo index starts with 0 for M280 command
#define SERVO_ENDSTOPS {-1, -1, 1} // Servo index for X, Y, Z. Disable with -1
#define SERVO_ENDSTOP_ANGLES {0,0, 0,0, 4,140} // X,Y,Z Axis Extend and Retract angles

Note that my endstop angles will probably only work on my servo. You will need to adjust it to suit your servo.
Ok so my Marlin looks the same as yours, except my angles are 0 and 120. When I send an M280 command, it extends and works perfectly. So we know it works, and it is powered correctly. However, when I issue a G28 or G29 command, the servo does not move. It just vibrates, but never actually moves. Any ideas anyone?
you angles seems too big. servos don't like minimum or maximums, they just don't go there ( mines don't movee if i tell 0 ) . can you try to setup with something like 10 and 100 ?
I tried 20 and 100, they work for the M280 command also, but still not for the G28 or G29.
Maybe your angles are wrong and the servo is trying to move where it can't hence the vibrating. Check that the angles are correct. For the M280 command, which servo number are you asking it to move? Is that the same one set in SERVO_ENDSTOPS? I think since you can get it working with the M280 command, the issue may be the values set in the firmware to be used for the G28 and G29 command are not the right ones.

I'm sure you've already checked all the above, but that's all I can think of at the moment. Hope you get it working.
So far my smartrap is almost working except for the extruder which i'm experimenting printing different baseplates to get sufficient grip on the filament to extrude properly since i'm using the maritime drive gear.
When I send the M28 command I send; M280 P1 S120. This allows my servo to move. I have it plugged into the second slot on the servo section of RAMPS. As far as the values set in Marlin for the G28 and G29 commands, how do I change those? That may be the problem.

Thanks for all of your help so far!
ho, yes. last line of configuration.h ? did you setup there ?

define SERVO_ENDSTOP_ANGLES {0,0, 0,0, 75,10}
Yes my last line of configuration.h file is this:

#define SERVO_ENDSTOP_ANGLES {0,0, 0,0, 20,100} // X,Y,Z Axis Extend and Retract angles
ho ok.. damned.. i can't see why your servo wouldn't move on G29 if it moves on M280... I guess we need to try with different firmware ?
did you try mine on github ? ( i know it's working here..i use it)
Yeah it doesn't make any sense as to why it will extend/retract when I send M280 P0 S30 for example, but doesn't do anything if I send G29. I am using your firmware that I got of of github. I only have to make changes to configuration.h and nothing else right?
Not too sure why it isn't working.
I guess double check that the last value is 1 in the line:
#define SERVO_ENDSTOPS {-1, -1, 1} // Servo index for X, Y, Z. Disable with -1

The other thing to check is that autoleveling is enabled by checking that the following line is uncommented.
//#define ENABLE_AUTO_BED_LEVELING // Delete the comment to enable (remove // at the start of the line)
If not, maybe try increment servo count to 3 and see if servo slot 3 works.
I finally got it to work! I don't really know how, but at least it works! Thank you everyone for your help!
Hello. Great work! I'll make it. You say it is cap print only PLA. Why not ABS? The only difference is temperature and heating bed. May be it work if add heating bed under glass as i3 have? Is it work? Thank you
Hi martynovks,
Thank you :)
Yes, it will work with ABS of course. Last version has the place to fit a mk2 heater on Y. It's just that the kits i'm selling are not , for now, with heated bed. It will come , i'm sure :)
I'm having problems with the Bowden extruder. I bought the Maritime gear for the extruder and thus have to modify the base plate so that the filament is close enough to the motor to get it to extrude. I have modified the bearing to be close and the filament gets pushed through the Bowden tube to the hotend, but it then seems to get stuck and won't push anymore when it reaches the hotend. The motor will turn, but the bearing doesn't and I think it just wears out at that same spot on the filmanet. Pushing sometimes helps sometimes it doesn't.
Do you have a version of the base plate meant for the maritime gear? Has anyone else had issues with the extruder when using the MK7 gear? I might order an MK7 if this can resolve my problem. I am threading the Bowden tube using nuts to hold the ends in place.
Hi raptor,

My fault. I'm about to add a plate base with m4 nut for the bowden and 7mm ( maritime and mk8) gear. So we will have 2 versions.
Thank you. I am looking forward to it!
If any of you haven't tried it, consider using thermoplastic inserts in the 'receiving' holes of your plastic parts. This makes sure that you don't rely on having to tap a plastic part, eliminates the need for some nuts and you can also assemble and disassemble without worry about wearing out the holes. I finished re-assembling my SmartRap today (that's 3 of them made so far) and used those when I incorporated new end-stops. I can tighten things down now really tight without worrying about stripping the plastic.
Hey Serge,

Do you have your endstops wire as NO or NC?
i think i'm NO ? ( not sure).

In marlin, i have :

const bool X_MIN_ENDSTOP_INVERTING = false;
Yeah that is what I am most interested in is what changes to the configuration file I need to make if I have the endstops wired as NO
ho, that's those three lines , just set to true if motors don't move because of endstop hit. its in configuration.h line 270
Ok great thanks, I will give it a try!
Hi Serge!

Quick question, when I flash the marlin software onto the arduino board, do I only upload the configuration.h file? Or do all of the files have to be uploaded?
Hi Miranda04,

It's better to take all the folder. If there's differencies between two versions, it can be very hard to debug.

I still need to document the changes i've made from the main marlin.. There's not much, but a part config.h there's also pin.h and a hack , due to the Smartrap's design for probing, in marlinmain.cpp ( Z_PROBE_DETA_X).
Serge,

I sent you a couple of eMails offline. If at all possible and to help others, would you kindly indicate the following:
1) Location URLs for all the software elements (e.g. Repetier-Host, etc., I see that Marlin is on GitHub)
2) A step by step for the software setup (e.g. (a) Download Marlin, (b) Change config.h....(c) Flash Marlin using these steps....(d) Download Repetier and install, change the following parameters....etc. etc.)

If you can assist with the eMail I had sent that would be lovely. I am trying to have a SmartRap ready for Maker Faire on the 16th as my local Maker group has shown some interest.

Samer
Hi samer,

I've seen emails, thank you , and sorry i still didn't answer. I've been busy in production those last days.
this documentation has to be done, you're so right. I think i will write it this week-end with all links and step by step to setup the firmware. I won't do much for repetier for now, as very good documentation exists already.

thank you to remind me it's very important :)
That would be great if you could do that! I am still lost and those step by step files to set up the firmware would really help me out.
For waiting, did you try to google "step by step ramps 1.4 install firmware" ? or just ramps firware tutorial, or ramps firmware installation ?
The smartrap is a reprap, so it has the same installation process than any other reprap. You will be surprised by the number of good documentation you will find, before i even write one :)
Yes I did google the "step by step ramps 1.4 install firmware" and did come up with a couple of helpful documents. I do look forward to your document so I know it is exactly for the SmartRap.
great !
I think i will publish first a doc about the specific parameters for the smartrap. For external builders ( like all people here) the config change always. depending of how you plug your motors, plug your endstop switches, what servo is used .. all that changes everytime between diferent material.
That would be great, anything and everything would be helpful! Especially the configuration change, and maybe process on how to change mm/step and how to zero the z axis
Thanks for the info! So do I have to flash the files on by one, or can I flash the entire folder?
It doesn't work this way. You don't flash just the files. Those files are c++ language files and they are used with arduino software to compile a software ( in that case the firmware of the arduino).
This software will be flashed on the board.
I will do doc very soon now, but for waiting , just go to reprap.org and look for ramps, arduino,flash, install software. There's good documentation ( in better english than mine by the way :) there about all those steps.
hey guys!
did anyone find where to source the bowden cable + pneu fittings in the US?
It shouldn't be so hard but i'm still struggling!
I went to McMaster Carr for my tubing. You should be able to find the fitting there too.
are you going to updated all files soon ?
Hi Berour,
There will be an update yes. I don't know exactly when because i need to update ( or re-integrate ) the j-head endX. For the rest, it needs an update from the production version from github.
It looks like the servo is missing on the updated BOM
Thx R4C3R,

I will add it .
Wow, this is really great! Thanks for sharing.

Brook is a great designer, but I've had terrible experiences with his company. I'd much rather support you and I'll be ordering a kit soon!
thank you bluecamel :)

I'm sorry for the experience with the company. I know it's hard to run such a company where you want to build for all the world :) That's why i choose to really share (GPL). We have already a builder/seller in taiwan, one to come in USA, will be cool.
Has the dimensions for the base plate disappeared from the BOM or does it not have one in this production model?
Do you mean the wood plate ?
We don't use it anymore . The base is printed now
so how exactly do you go about flashing and setting up the software? got a tutorial anywhere?
Hi qtrain,
We will publish some more infos on smartfriendz.com, but you can easy find a lot of information about flashing firmware with the ramps and/or arduino. On reprap.org. look for ramps, for example ?
The smartrap firmware ( marlin with our setup) is published on our github.
What files are they called? There's so many in there
All frimware files are in firmware folder. You need to take all and open in your arduino development software
Anyone looking to build one of these and is located in Canada or the US should check out the current deal that Mitsumi is running... $150 discount on your first order. A Mitsumi Smartrap BOM and more details from this thread at Reddit : reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1x6qd3/update_150_worth_of_free_stuff_from_my_company/
Hey! I saw that you linked my post lol here's a newer post I made that gets updated more frequently. It includes the production BOM.

reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1xo42g/misumi_parts_lists_for_various_projects/
Hello,
My ramps board will not seat properly on the arduino
I had to sand down (and cut back) one of the solder points on the bottom of the RAMPS board. It was smashing into the DC power on the Arduino...
Thanks it just needs a rotary tool to grind the pcb connection thanks
Hi,
I had also this problem with all 40 ramps + arduino i've bought. The third pin needs to be cut or it doesn't pass .
Looks like it's general ?
I'm ok with the construction but do you have any sites or videos that you know of explaining the firmware and calibration .not that I'm to that point yet?
Maybe the reprap wiki?
Hi,

What is the hotend you use in your latest version ?
Hi sascham,
In the last version we use a huxley hotend ( reprappro) . You can find our provider in emakershop.com.
The j-head version is still working but need an update . Will be soon done now.
Hello Serge
Sorry to come back on this. I've set my Minitronics on X and Y. On Z I can not calibrate it. Even after I'm setting a home position, when I start printing it goes under the bad level quite a lot.
I've taken out any G28 from the g-code, but still the same.
I've connected the servo on AUX 1 pins as you suggested, but still no action. Am I missing something in the configuration file?
Hi Laur,
By reading your report, i'm not sure you did all necessary steps to have a nice autolevel system working.
Is the servo working ? ( plug the usb and it should go to the retract position angle from last line in configuration.h )
did you adjust angles ?
Did you follow all the steps in marlin firmware readme file ( at the end). He explains all better than me. You should adjust different things to have some offsets from the zstop and the nozzle.
I was just talking about the servo plug for minitronics, but there's some more steps to have the all system working.
Hi Serge
I've fixed all the issues and the printer is ready and printing.
More test and calibrations needed...
Hi Laur,

That sounds very good ! i'm sure it will be ok now. congrats.
Hey are these the parts referenced by the current docs at reprap.org/wiki/Smartrap_mini ? Thanks!
Hi unhacker,

Unfortunately not. I was so busy adjusting the model to have our production verison that i just come to documentation back now .
Expect a nice update next week .
Thank you Serge!
Good tip!
Hi everybody!
Is someone using minitronics for the smartrap? Any tricks for programming and setting it? How about the autoleveling?
Hi Laur,
It works with the minitronics. I've used extension pins . With the minitronics doc + pin.h in smartfriendz github marlin, you should find at which pin i've plugged it ( i don't remember now ). Basically, i've found 3 pins not so far with a +5, ground and a signal. After that it works wonderfully.
What is the official print area? It's different everywhere!
Hi BradStaff,
It's 150x150x150 with the rod's lengths in the BOM.
But you can adjust of course.
Would you please let me know what servo (model and sources where I can get it) do you use for auto leveling?
Best regards and thank you for sharing your great work.
Hi maxoutny,

I use the basic model from pololu : pololu.com/product/1053

Works perfectly. The servo holder is designed for it , so you're sure it works well.
I think i have some of those . It's very ok. Maybe you will need to adjust the angles in marlin, configuration.h.. last line. I had some servo turning other way than pololu one.
But it works perfectly.
Serge,

I went to GitHub to grab the latest and greatest and all the files downloaded fine. However, when I tried to import the files into TinkerCAD (to clean them up for Repetier and Slic3r) or even to load them as-is into Repetier, I get an error that the file type could not be determined. Do you, or anyone else, know why?

Samer
Hi SkyRider,
Well, I don't understand why ? I use them myself all day because it's my main folder to print. Under windows, repetier, i load thoss stl files to print the production and i didn't have any problem with files so far.
Are you using the stl/release folder files ?
Ok, I figured it out. Something about the way I was downloading. If I attempt to save the file from their URL it saves them badly. If I view them first and press 'Raw' on GitHub, the files are loadable. Hmmm...
Hi again Serge,

No idea. I go to GitHub and bring down the files here: github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap/tree/master/stl/release and while they download nothing I have opens them. TinkerCAD says it cannot detect the file format. Is it possibly an export thing?
It is very strange indeed.

I tried with end_x_back ( download and import in tinkercad ) and it worked like a charm ?

tinkercad.com/things/1guNtJgHckd-smartrap-endxback

Maybe another problem i can't see .
Yes, as you have noticed, I managed to get around it. As soon as R2D2's foot is done, I'll be printing. I need to get SmartRap ready for Maker Faire next month!
You guys are making me want to rebuild my SmartRap all over again just so I have have the latest and greatest!!!!
I've got my smartrap mostly done, but when I rotate the motors to test moving the axis, the fishing line does tighten, but nothing moves and it just seems to stretch the fishing line. I am using printed bushings so there is more resistance to movement, but the main concern is the fishing line is too stretchy.
Is there a recommended type of fishing line that I should be using?
Actually don't worry. I changed the bushings to metal LM3UU bushings and the resistance to movement problem went away and the fishing line seems to work fine moving the axis now. It also might be because I overtightened a screw which caused the axis to be a bit too tight. I might try the old bushings later to see if it improves.
Hi raptor,
Ho great you found out . I thought maybe you had nylon fishing line ? :p It must be sea fish line written at least for 13kg. those don't stretch at all.
I tried also with printed bushings but didn't have very great experience. I think it's because of the printed structure. It's a real chalenge because it is less accurate ( and less strong ) than wood or metal structure ( that's one of the goals of this project too: keep going with all printed structure and find adapted design so it works!).
I also make the fishing line very very tight now ( cannot hear a note when i play with it like a chord). It doesn't slip at all for weeks.
Hi Serge,
I've planned to build a smartrap, which is my first reprap and 3d printer. I'm really excited!
I'm collecting the materials now, but I was confused by the BOM, since there are many version of it.
Can you tell me what version is it in the assemble video (on youtube, with grey printed parts)? Is it the latest version(0.5?)?
I'm afraid that I would bought the materials (and printed parts) with different version of it.
If I bought 250mm,250mm,300mm for the smooth rods x,y,z respectively,
which length of threaded rod should I bought? and which size of glass is proper? ( Is it 3mm thick? )
How to connect the electronics board to the power supply?
Sorry for asking the simple questions.Thanks a lot!
Hi jellyb,
It's great if you want build a smartrap, i can be only happy about that .
The version you see in the video is the one from github actually. It is sitll not updated here because i want before to work on back compatibility with j-head and bowden cable with M4 nuts. The new version on github works with a full huxley hot-end which uses two brass inserts, not really easy to source.
It is of course simple to get the github files and work with it ( that's what i do ).
rods are : 240mm for X and Y axes and 300mm for Z
glass is : 220x180mm 3mm thick.
electronics board to power is very simple , you ned to read the ramps 1.4 documentation on reprap.org it's better explained there than i would do.
I hope all will be ok :)
Where do you mount the endstop for the axis with the hotend on it?
It's behind now, there's a special part that takes the switch and mount on the servo. It's on the right, behind the head.
When assembling the smartrap, for some reason, the axis which holds the j-head hotend seems to be rotated a little bit clockwise instead of it being exactly perpendicular. I've tried reprinting out the base which the z rods go into but it doesn't seem to resolve the issue. Do you know what could be wrong with my assembly? flickr.com/photos/timkoh/12175171356/
Hi raptor,
First, it looks good :) congrats !
I'm not sure but from my builds, this axis can easy be rotated by hand ( i do that always). When all is in place , i mean, when the fishing line is straight on, you can always turn the head , but it's a little hard and it should stays in place. So when it happend, i just turn it straight back.
It's not very important if the head is rotated ( but it looks odd i agree :) . What is important is that it stays in place ( same height ) all the print long.
Thanks for the quick reply, I tried adding the fishing line and putting a bit of force and rotating it by hand. It seems better now. I hope it stays in place. :)
I do exactly that and never seen problems with it .
Hi Serge,
I've been testing the latest version in Github recently. I really like the new endstop slot design which is much more convenient to use. As for the plate_base, It has become trickier to install the PTFE tube with the M4 nut. What's the advantage of the new holder for the tube?
Thanks again for the improvements!

My classmates and I have assembled around 10 Smartraps in Taiwan since January (each person got one). We have a lot of fun and really appreciate the effort you made on this project. Recently, more and more people asking us if they could get a Smartrap of their own. Would you mind us source and sell kits in Taiwan? How can we make some feedback to you? Sorry if I have some improper questions.
Hi JimYu,

Thank you for the comment and hey, it's so great you built so much Smartraps there !! This is all about this project. I'm very happy about that .
You can of course source yourself , make , and sell Smartraps there, I made this project GPL and that is for a reason : Sharing!!
I don't want to be the next makerbot or even printrbot. I do believe in this new business model where the global model can be better from anyone work, and if there's success, it's shared between all makers. everyone wins..even if it's a little less. That's good.
I'm also selling here in europa ( even USA and middle east) with smartfriendz.com and it goes well enough :) so everyone's happy.

Thank you for asking , it's nice from you.

The thing I find great to do is to write somewhere and tell everyone that Smartrap comes from here ( or smartfriendz.com , or reprap.org and is GPL !

About the model,
I'm sorry about the changes with the base plate, on github is our production version ( that's why it's still not updated here ). It is actually changed for a huxley hot-end which uses brass inserts at both sides of the bowden cable . You can see how it look on reprappro website, in documentation , on the hot-end part. It's using a little piece called the tongue to keep the tube in place.

For here, there will be those parts of course, but i want to integrate the changes in the j-head + m4 nut version, as it's more easy to source ( I think? ) .

Later, we will also make a version for pressfit 5/8, 5mm , etc..

And we still have lot of work.. 3mm filament, heated bed, led light, different drive systems ( rack&pinion), double head ? whatever ..
Thank you so much, Serge!
I will put smartfriendz.com on my page!
About plate_base, I have a brass nut but a bigger size. I will modify the model for a bigger hole. Not a big problem actually. Thanks a lot for your support! The Smartrap will be more and more popular!
I've started sourcing parts to build a SmartRap,
The BOM downloaded from Github (last updated 2 months ago) states that the needed 8mm rods are:

Smooth rod 8mm 2 x 240mm X axis for 150mm printable
Smooth rod 8mm 2 x 220mm Y axis for 150mm printable
Smooth rod 8mm 2 x 250mm Z axis for 100mm printable

Are these figures still valid?
Hi bringho,
I've just updated the BOM. it was indeed very old. sorry for that.
Thanks m8!
There is a note about this on the smartrap wiki (http://reprap.org/wiki/Smartrap_mini).
Add approximately 90mm to the desired print area for x and y. I am planning on eventually using a heated bed, so I will cut mine to 290 and 270.
The rod lengths are completely up to you. Nothing in the printer is relying on a particular rod length. Cut them all at 250mm to make it easier.
I would also like to know this. After watching the videos it looks like the board isn't necessary anymore either. Have the screws that are required changed either?
The board is not used any more. Most likely the screws listed in the BOM have changed slightly. If you have a decent selection of M3 available (10, 12, 15 and maybe 18 or 20) you'll be good. There are only a handful of M4 bolts required on the base. A pair of M4 60mm and (working from memory) a M4 by 40mm.
Hi Serge, Great Project! Congrats.
Where is the latest update on parts here or on Github? They look quite different.
Can you post some pics with ver 05? Regards
Hi Laur,
Thank you .
Github has now the last production models. I will update here as it's stable enough. There will be updates, but now very little things.
I was waiting a little to update here because i want the videos ( in english) online and the documentation too, or it will be maybe too complicated to build like that ( even we have now around 15 successful builds from silly guys without doc ;-)
Serge, can i still use the maritim filament skrews with the actual version? I printed them now and want to assemble
Hi nepaholic,

I think the maritim screw will be too far. The MK7 is 10mm diameter ( on the filament ) and maritime 7mm . I iwll make a version of base+plate for that. Thanks to remind me.
Thanks that would be nice if you could make it and I print again
I was hoping to be able to modify "plate_x" to accept a slightly more robust leadscrew that I happen to have on hand, but the openscad file from github doesn't seem to produce the entire plate_x, only the base with LM8UU spaces. Is there somewhere I could find the editable file for that piece?
Hi beavertank,

Sorry for the openscad file. It's just a start and it's far from usuable.
All up to date files in github are in blender ! The all model is there in release.

It's updating everyday and soon here again for the last production model.

There's no real doc for the blender file, but basically, all printed parts are in layer one ( in green) and all booleans objects are in layer 16 ( wireframe).

Thank you
Hi Serge,
May I ask how the new servo holder works?
I have no idea how it should be mounted on the servo.
Thank you!
Hi JimYu,

Normally with a servo , you get 3 little white plastic holders. We use the simple straight one. With the new holder, you just insert this holder in the long part with a hole. It should just clip around. You can add a liiittle of glue there to be stronger.
The endstop should also clip in the other side . You will see there is a longer part than the other , so the switch come in place and can click . there's no screws anymore.

I will add a video this week end for this part ( still didn't do , sorry ).
I got it. Another great new design! Thank you Serge!
Thank you Jim Yu,

Very soon now a new update coming with little changes everywhere for the production model. No more big changes, just adjustments to ease the assembly.
Where can we get the new lm8 holders of plate_X in your youtube video?
They look pretty good!
Hi JimYu,

Well, since the video, i changed again and found a simplier solution with the actual lm8holder_X. The plate_x will be changed ( soon big update with the version you see in last video).
The problem with those holders. as with the Y axis is that they all share the same screw with the motor assembly... and that's bad ! because for the motor, you need to screw tight and for the lm8 you need to screw less tight, or it will block the axis ( constraint from printed parts where the pastic is not as rigid as metal). So i try to re-separate all without complicating too much the assembly.
So, the lm8holder_x as it is, is in fact better because you separate the motor screws from the lm8_holder and can have separate froces applied.

With last version , the X_holder is blocked by the plate_X, so with one screw it's really tight . ( update tonight or tomorrow).

Thank you,

Serge
Thanks to your great effort, Smartrap is getting better and better!
Hi! Can I use this controller on smartrap? goo.gl/SS6fdZ Sorry for the newbie question.
YES, this is the most popular one.
Thanks for the reply! Ramps and stepper motor driver, right?
Yep, the RAMPS works very well.
Thanks! :D
In this video, you screw the motors into the base: youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pq7uupJTY

You don't have the size of those screws in your BOM and I don't speak French. I'm guessing that they're M3 x 60. Is that true?
Hi Al,
I'm sorry for the French, i'm working on captions in english ( I will later redo the assembly in english, but maybe captions are ok for now ).
It's M4 x 60 .
I really need to work on this BOM too !
Thank you
what servo are you using?
Hi qtrain.
I use very basic , if not the most basic servos 3.9g . for example the basic blue from pololu .
can you send me a link?
and do you have a better listing of the hardware?
You're right. The BOM list is out of date now . I need to rework it . It will be done in a few days i think. I have better view of what's inside now :)
please!
also noticed that there is a significant change in hotend components. why did you change?
Hi botbuilder1,
About the hotend, There is stil the j-head X-end , there's no change about that. I will update it with my new servo support that is more integrated and behind the head ( i couldn't stop hitting this servo while working on the bed).
The other option is the huxley hotend . This one will be integrated with the smartfriendz kits ( the one we sell).
I like the huxley because it's very easy to get apart and work on it. Fan is integrated also, wich is nice for PLA printing.

Thank you,
what are the dimensions of the pfte tube? ID and OD?
The regular one is 2mm ID and 4mm OD.
It's a bowden for 1.75 mm filament. There's only two verrsions on the market i think ? for 1.75 and 3mm.
what is the m6x60 bolt for?
I ordered a set of parts that will be made after the update to the glass holder. There are three printers that I am liking, for different reasons, the Smartrap, the Mini Kossel and the Tantillus. All three can be driven with the fishing line which seems like a good solution. Unfortunately my steppers all have a flat on one side of the drive shaft so it will need a little drum to even it out, I'll look around Thingiverse and see what is available.
There are several. Here is one: thingiverse.com/thing:70377
Thanks, that looks nice. I wonder if 10 mm would be a good size. These are 20 mm, the shaft 5 mm. The diameter influences the resolution. A piece of 1/4" fuel line is a tight fit, and results in a 7 mm diameter, but the flat still needs to be shimmed out.
I really like the look of the Smartrap, but also like the Mini Kossel. It will be interesting to see which one I can get dialed in better.
I don't think Serge will be merging my modifications. More likely, I am working out any 'bugs' associated with printing in ABS and trying it on a different printer. I have 2 of these built now, one with my mods and one without. The one without is using a 6x6 heatbed, so that keeps the overall footprint nice and compact. For a Kossel or Delta, consider RichRap's mod. I've been printing that and it holds much promise.

Samer
So much good work Samer. I didn't have time to load and check your mods to see what to integrate for now, but it surely could happen :)
Important is the project, not really who did which part :)
I think your latest modifications do just fine. I will post an update with my modified SmartRap likely next week. I have been waiting for some header blocks to put on my RAMPS to connect my smart controller to it. On its platform is already the case and the smart controller as well as the printer itself. I love the idea (and I'm proving its practicality) of being able to change the bed size and so the travel in X and Y just by changing the size of the 8mm rods. For Z, I would need to eventually go to a 2 motor Z-motion design if we go higher and heavier.
Thank you.
The smart controler you use is the 2004 controller module ? I ordered a few . I think eventually those will be integrated in the smartrap :)
Hi Serge,

The one I am using is this one and its variations (which puts the knob, LED and reset switch under the LCD). You would need to solder a header onto your RAMPS board to use the connector that is provided (the location of where those headers go is very obvious). I need to send you some photos. My plan is to demo this printer running autonomously this way at Maker Faire. However, I am also looking at using OctoPrint where my Rasberry Pi and NoIR camera are running as web server controllers so that I can remote control the machine as well as view live video of it. All those options are planned for the US flavor ;-) after we work out all the bugs.

Samer
Yes, that's the one i ordered. Did you work on a support for the Smartrap ? If not i will do of course.
I thought it would be ok in front of the ramps. It will be maybe still under the plate, but it would keep space small.
I will give more news when i get them.

Also working on a spool holder..on top . Like for the printrbot i believe ( didn't see for a long time).
hi Serge,
have you made any progress on untethered printing with one of those screen modules and would it be integrated with the firmware in github
For a spool holder, I suggest a brace across the 2 Z-axis 8mm rods and then a mount on top of that with the spool directly above center. I will post a picture of my assembled modified SmartRap (it will be in the remixes in a few minutes).
I'm so satisfied with the compact and low-cost design of Smartrap. It's working really well after a month of tuning.
I have a question about the endstop mounted on the plate_base. It has been designed to be on the left side, but this would made the printing mirrored (either the x or y axis is in the wrong direction).
My correction is connecting the endstop as the MAX endstop and inverting the homing direction. Is there any misunderstanding about the designed?
Hi JimYu,
Thank you, you did a wonderful work.
About the endstop Y, it is normally a min Y ? so i don't know where the problem comes from ?
I found my problem. I mistake the platform as the X on the RAMPS. Thanks for your reply!
Haa, that's good :)
It's a little my fault.. I think i was bad oriented when i designed the smartrap. Now, i think the X should be the Y. But it's a little too late, it will stay like this .. It depends how we look at it .
I really don't want to use fishing line...... Actually I hate it.... I'm sorry... I really like your design and want to make one.
Hi jpan,

Ho, that's indeed a problem :( . Can i know why you hate it ? ( i didn't use before this project , but i use it now for one month and printed 3 kg pla and it didn't make any problem ! ) . It's interesting to know the bad side.
I have in plans to be able to use also gt2 belts and printed rack&pinion, but it's not ready.
About the belts, I need a little redesign to be able to put one..or two bearings around the motor shaft, to tighten the belt. Then it would be really usable . I really would like to have all options .
rack and pinion are more close , i redesigned the existing one and it's allmost integrated ( with the same parts for all solutions).

Thank you for the compliment :)
JPan,

If you don't like fishing line, there's also the same sort of line used in RichRap's Delta robot. It's a thicker thread and it's a bit stickier and he is using it with a lot of success on his machine, which I am also building. If I were to revisit the design, I would use threaded rod across the board, but that would mean either adding a worm gear on the motor on the X-Plate and for the base plate, I'd need to do the same. Opens the door to backlash.

The use of fishing wire is not new and in fact this is what makes SmartRap so compact. If you were to convert to belts, you would need to orient at least 1 motor 90 degrees from where it is now. I personally think the layout is great. My new friends at Nova Labs are very intrigued by the SmartRap *precisely* because of its footprint and in fact I am making my V4.5 with a 6"x6" because that's the heated bed I have and I want it to be compact. I will be doing a demo for them in the next 2 weeks using the smaller bed. If you were to drop the fishing line, I'd say the easiest thing to do is put a gear on the X and Y motors and use a linear toothed rail for motion instead. Varying the gear teeth and drive gear diameter controls the resolution (how much motion you get per step).

Maybe worth experimenting with......

Samer
If you are going to sell a kit with belt driving I would definitely consider to buy one. I'm serious.
i used to have one using fishing line, although it has sandpaper pulley on the shaft, it still slipped sometimes. It once ruined my print after it had been printed for 2 hours. Then I decided never use fishing line on my 3d printer. I sold that one after that thing happened. Now I get one with gt2 belt and I feel more comfortable and it prints better (maybe just my feeling? haha).
JimYu - in reply to jpan
On my smartrap, the fishing line will never slip with more than 10 round.
If anyone is interested, I posted a remix that adds a fishing line spool to put on your stepper. No idea what that will do, but if anyone wants to try it....the other thing to try is to slip a suitable plastic drinking straw over the D-shaped shafts, epoxied in place and you have a round shaft with minimal increase in diameter and so negligible accuracy change.

Samer
Hello,
When I actually did buy a 170x150x4mm glass, I found I can't put it on the y holder. I measured the holder high for the glass, it was 3mm. So you actually modified to 3mm, right?
Thanks!
Hi qtfp,
I checked and yes , i see this version is 3mm high. But it is a bug. I will update for 4mm.
Note that it will be updated soon ( maybe today ?) with a new version where we have shorter end_y. We will need larger bed, It is for a more compatible system where we can easy add a heated bed like an mk2 board.
All actual files will be available in github under 0,4,6 version anyway.
Also, there will be some screws to press the plate , it is actually a little too much free and the glass can move too easy when we print small parts with lot of movements.
Hi
Was planning to try your printer but saw you plan a "v2" to release any day.
Any ETA ? So i not need to print twice :)

Thanks
Hi sasham,
We won't update to a V2 right now , as a new design need lot of time to be really usable ( lot of little details to adjust). But we are going to update this version for production again. Every part have changed again , for a better experience and stability.
You're right to take care of your prints. I feel guilty each time i update those models .. sorry to all for the plastic loss !
What startup gcode are you using for the auto-calibrate on z-axis? Just a 'G29' to do the probe, or is there something more that needs to be done?
Hi amramsey,

I'm using a config i'm happy with now .. here it is :

---
M109 S[first_layer_temperature_0];set extruder temp and start heating

G28 X0 Y0 ;home X and Y

G29 ;probe bed

G90; set absolute coordinates

G92 E0; reset extruder distance

G1 X10 Y10 F3000 ; move to back right corner

---

It's also in slic3r setting on github.
Fantastic. Thanks for that. I just tried it out and it works really nicely! Thanks for the great printer design. Its fantastically simple.
Thank you amramsey :)
Other cuestion. Wich programs do we need for the printer? only slic3r and pronterface, or anything else?
Pr0nterface and Slic3r, or Repetier and Slic3r. Check with Serge what he is specifically using.
Hi ,
I'm using repetier and slic3r for a little while now. the slic3r settings are on our github ( smartfriendz)
Thanks for the answer , i have already bought the 42BYGHW811 model because is not expensive.
hi again, i have a doubt with the nema 17 motor, i hAVE FOUND DIFERENTS MODELS of nema 17, is it any correct for this proyect or only the 42BYGHW811?
Find the sort that are 4 wire, with the highest holding torque. Why the highest? Because as you upgrade and use different length rods, you want to maximize the torque so that you only spend time replacing plastic parts, not electronic ones.
Samer
They should do fine, although the cost is suspiciously low. I've never seen them for as little as $8, but at $16 (with shipping), you really aren't spending a whole lot anyway.
I have yet to find a list of the parts that you actually need for this. I plan to self source it myself. Any help? The more thorough the better.
I made a google spreadsheet with a BOM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnREfybtmEJNdElDa2d1a09NQ3ozSmVYaW hOeFZBUGc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
What are is are Bowden Tubes and Brass Inserts? And what kind of Power Supply do you need? Just any 60W like this?

ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-5A-10A-15A-20A-30A-Regulated-Transformer-Power-Supply-For-LED-Strip-USA-/181284109670?pt=US_Lighting_Parts_and_Accessories&;var=&hash=item2a355ffd66
Thanks so much!
There is a list in the Things Files downloads.
Hi, i have a doubt, wich controller do you recommend?
and wich hot and J-head?
Hi pinoseko,

Well, we are now using ramps 1.4 as it's the most standard in reprap community, but any controler would work.
ramps, megatronics,minitronics are working for sure as we ahve seen ourselve working ( especially with the auto-levelling).
Hello,
I like your design, but I have a question. What's the dimension of the glass of your default design? The X rod is 240, Y rod is 220. What's the thickness?
Is that 170*150*4?
Thanks!
Hi qtfp,
Thank you :)
Yes , the actual models are made for exactly this size.
There will be a parametric model at a time, so we can change the thickness of the glass easy. For now, you need to change it in blender and export if necessary.

Serge
Thanks for the help so far guys. Another question, are you using just microswitches or are you using endstops like these? ebay.com/itm/300949681784
IMHO those should do just fine. All you really need is a set of tap switches, which you can get at RadioShack or similar at any time.
Some of you may have issues getting the LM8UU bearings to sit tight and unmoving on Plate X with the LM8U Holder X. This is because some warping is inevitable depending on what material was used to print (PLA or ABS) and much flexure you get on the holder/restraint. In the past, to get rid of this slop, I refactored Plate X, which reduced the part count, but also gave me some bearing options (my first version is using pillow blocks with embedded LM8UU bearings). That being said, not all of you will have these options and might not care for the additional weight. To get around this problem, I found that the blue tape you buy at the hardware store is a sufficient remedy. Wrap a strip around the *entire* bearing and trim it. In my case, 3 wraps did the job on each of the 4 bearings. That 'fattened' the bearing the necessary amount to get clamped down tight by the Holder. Make sure you screw the holder down so that its surfaces are in contact with Plate X where the screws are. That exerts the necessary pressure to keep the bearings immobilized. In the future, the Holder should be modified to match the contours of the bearing, including the location of the slot rings so that C-clips can be inserted to clamp it down firmly. The reason we want to do this is wear and tear. Over time, I think that the Holder will be subject to sufficient cycles to eventually put the slop back into the bearings. Something more form fitting would eliminate that. However, that is a long way off and realistically, I could always print standby Holders for later (and I have).

Samer
Thank you Samer. This plate_x needs definitely a redesign! Too much plastic to have enventually bearings not tight is the proof of a design problem.
I'm on it . But it's the third version and still not good! damned. The constraints for me are :
- simple to assemble
- tight
- minimum plastic
- no screw ( if possible)
- easy printable on all printers , so no need for ultra precision.

Maybe that's why it's hard to find a good one ?

Actually, with the last version, there's way too much screws, but it's tight with me .
I think it's fine right now. Seems that simply putting tape around the bearing raises the circumference enough to make the fit pretty tight. I also have come up with a revisit of the extruder bearing holder because that did not print a sufficiently tall shaft: I have bolts that fit the bearing well, so I drilled out the shaft stub and cut off the head of the bolt to make a 'stud'. I then screwed in the stud into the hole and epoxied it in. Allows me to remove the bearing without it being press fit. Variations of this mount, BTW, allow us to have different sized bearings..

Samer
Ho, sorry , i didn't read this one.
Interesting. At a time i tried this one with a screw through the plate to make it more solid and that we can change filament size.
Maybe it will end like this.
That's my thinking. We can change out the plate that holds the bearing and so change the size of the filament in use. That just leaves the nozzle to get what we need. If anyone here is going to be at the VA Mini Maker Faire in March, I'll bring my SmartRap and converted Fab@Home2 along for you to see.

Samer
Thanks SkyRider your contributions have realy helped me so ,so how much should the printed parts cost ether from a repraper (eBay) or from a 3d print service . I was looking for a quote and from one site it was a 2.99 gbp
But to get a realistic qote it needs all the parts to be one .stl
Crunch, who is on here sold me a set for about $30 plus postage. I highly doubt 3 quid would cover postage let alone printing. You can also go to Serge's website and order up a set. The website is listed on the info page here. Since he is in France, it may be easier to order from him.
i have found someone to get the printed parts from but when i ment 2.99 i ment for 1 single part because it could only quote on a single file.
At least one person has asked me to post my print of the current version when I was done this weekend. I had thought that I would end up with me original (modified) SmartRap, the stock SmartRap (for comparison, I bought a set of parts from crunch), and this version. I was wrong. I will post in my 'I made it' set shortly, but here are the things to consider:

1) Some parts do not slice right in Slic3r depending on what printer you have and how your software is set up. In my case, I found that I needed to put Plate X and Plate Base through TinkerCAD for Repetier/Slic3r to recognize the part right. I need not have bothered. I compared the parts from crunch against mine and the those parts are unchanged. Ok, there is one change, but it's not significant enough to warrant a reprint. Plate X has changed where the M5 rod goes. You can accommodate the effects by widening the gap at the base of that tab and securing your nut in the slot in that tab rather than reprint the whole thing. In any case, I had no trouble putting my threaded rod and solidly securing (just with friction) a suitable nut. I am using a piece of 3/16" threaded rod and nut from Home Depot.
2) The parts in grey parts are the original parts. I compared those in terms of dimensions, hole sizes and positions and overall shape. The white parts are the parts that have changed, most notably the parts that hold the bed. Those have the 'arms' offset and are very different from the original.

Some of you with 'D' shaped shafts on your servos should print and use the filament spool instead of winding the fishing line on the shaft. This part ensures no errors in linear motion due to the flat part of the stepper motor shaft.

I will assemble the unit tonight or tomorrow and post a photo as well.

Samer
What is the recommended drive gear for the extruder? the one in the BOM doesn't match the one pic above.
I totally agree with Serge. If you are in the US and impatient, you are more likely to find a Mk7 Gear than a Mk8. Keep in mind that with the bearing the the gear AND the bearing will be very tight together and you would be well served to mount the bearing FIRST (so that you do not overstress the shaft it is on) and then mount the gear to the motor and THEN attach the motor. If, in use, you break the shaft on which the bearing is installed, drill out the remainder of the shaft and install a suitable bolt letting it tap the hole. Put in some epoxy to keep the bolt from moving because you cannot put a nut there as no matter what you do, you do not want anything sticking out from under the base plate.

Samer
Ho yes. my bad, the last version where updated to an more standard mk7 gear. It's more easy to source than maritine brass insert.
Serge, an opportunity presented itself today that allows us to potentially move forward with our plans to offer a full kit here commercially. I am writing you off-list. Please check your eMail for details.

Samer
Serge,

Can I get you to put out a generic Z coupler to handle standard 5mm stepper shafts and make the threaded rod hole small that can be widened with a drill? 2 grub screw holes and slots for nuts (say m2.5) would work.

Samer
Hi Samer,
Funny you talk about that :) i was just thinking about to make one. smaller and without FOUR screws and nuts :) maybe a very simple one ?
I'll try .
I have a solution at this time (I am using a spiral cut coupling). What I would suggest is that you allow for minor misalignment issues due to varying printer qualities and potential diameter variances. I have found this critical because when I built my first SmartRap, the motor mounting holes have enough play to allow slight misalignment, plus any deformation of the plastic will make the misalignment static but worse nonetheless. There are spiral cut couplers here, but whatever you do should have some ability to support slight errors. This may be an artifact of ABS vs. PLA, but it's there. Thanks for trying. For those of you who can't wait (like me), you really need either a spider coupling or a spiral cut one (the spiral cut one is MUCH more forgiving).

Samer
What are the specs of the motors so I don't over spend
I am using NEMA 17 motors. I like to go all out with all my motors, just in case. Keep in mind you are pulling filament through a tube, so that motor need not be the weakest. Generally speaking, the cost differential in these motors makes it possible to upgrade and reconfigure the printer without replacing the electronics. Be sure to get the 4 wire motors. You can use the 6 or 8 wire, but you will be leaving wires unused, and that just makes it a pain. Generally, you get get motors from Inventables or anywhere on eBay or SparkFun or any dead laser printer you can get your hands on. Remember you need the 1.8 degree step motors.

Samer
Exactly what board do I need for this? Can someone link me?
i qtrain,
Any board known to work with the marlin firmware will work.
We choose the classical ramps 1.4 actually, because it's arduino, because it's the most known ans community supported right now .
Thank you
I am using a RAMPS 1.4 which you can get just about anywhere. You can get them on eBay or at Inventables.com or just about anywhere else. Basically, it's an Arduino with a motor controller and GRBL loaded.
Also, what power supply? I've yet to build a printer so this is all pretty new
The RAMPS 1.4 has the stepper drivers headers built in. Some of them come with the driver boards on board or packaged separately. For a power supply, you have some choices. I got sick of trying to figure out if something pulled off another device would work so I went to Radio Shack and bought a 19V/25A benchtop power supply and a pair of banana plugs and hooked those up. Enough power for a heatbed in there. You can get away with a 14V 30A supply if you are not using a heatbed.
do you need stepper drives then too? currently looking at this ebay.com/itm/RAMPS-1-4-PCB-Fully-Assembled-Tested-for-RepRap-3D-Printer-/321142332297?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&;hash=item4ac5931b89
Yes, every 3D printer control board needs stepper drivers unless they're built in and they aren't in RAMPS.
Hello,

I'm currently building this reprap but it is hard to source 4mm plate glass in the USA. I wanting to use 2.4mm Lexan as the printing surface. I'm trying to modify the y front and back parts using the scad file on github but OpenSCAD will not render the file correctly. What program are you using for the scad file?

Thanks,

Pcchameleon
Actually you can order borosilicate that works fine. I'm also using ordinary lexan sheet from Home Depot. I cut it on my mini table saw. If you double up a strip at the mounts it sits nicely. I also modified the parts on TinkerCAD with ease and in fact corrected some things by importing as is and exporting as is.
Thanks for the info! It probably will be better to double up 2.4mm Lexan for better support. I'll take a look at TinkerCAD.
Serge! It's getting harder and harder to keep up with you ;-)
Hi SkyRider,
oops, you mean it's updating too often ?

The bad news is : i have under here a biiig update with new design. Should i start another smartrap v2 thing maybe ?
It's a result of our tests with the current model and production printing . It's still too hard to build and too dificult to print in my opinion.
The changes would be big: new integrated , printed pla bushing ( with external bushing in option later), new disposition ( all motors in a row with z axis in front ) , printed racks and pinion ( with fishing line still ready on the same model) ... well, an all new model in fact.
The benefit is : more stable, more LEGO like ( it's our main design idea), more easy to build, better flow to print , ready to expand size ( especially Y axis), and more organic.
Now i'm scared to put those changes here .. people will get crazy i'm afraid.
If interested persons can tell me what they feel ? update here? or new smartrap2 thing ?
Sorry for those changes .. it's just because we are working on the production model and all changes come from problems we had while building or using the printer.
I'd recommend forking and making it a v2.
My first reaction was to call it a new version. However, you said the reason for new version is to fix issues in this version, so why allow people access to this version if it has problems that you've fixed in the new version?
If you decide to put up the file as new version elsewhere, I suggest to list the issues of this version here and link to the new version. Thank you for all the good work and sharing!
I'd say go for a new version if you change the structure a lot. From what I can see in the pictures, it has changed a lot.
However that would probably mean, that you'd abandon the current version and will continue with the next. Is this version "stable"? Will you post "bug fixes"? Branching off leaves others left behind...
The new version looks great. I was wondering if it would be beneficial for larger printbeds if you'd pull the first motor in front a little more. That way the mounts for the printbed would be more centered.
v2 sounds better!
I was just lamenting how fast you are moving and how slow I am moving.....LOL. If you want me to try your designs in ABS send them along. I was going to do another V0.5x but if you have a V2 and you want to see how they work with ABS, I will do them this weekend on my Solidoodle and finish assembly Sunday night or Monday (Monday is a holiday here). I think you should post and keep posting. I think this is what innovation is all about and you are innovating. I have narrowed down my issues with the original design to my printer itself and the use of ABS (which is more brittle, although stronger, and more rigid than PLA based on my experience). However, since we are collaborating anyway, feel free to fire away and then after I print this weekend, I will find the 'bugs' and send back to you for update before you post. Or, just post and ALL of us will do that for you. In the end, everyone benefits. BTW, what printer are you using to print and what special settings are you using (infill, resolution, etc.). I am using ABS, 50% and 0.3mm resolution.

Samer
ho. how nice and positive you are :) thank you for that. I'm a little ashamed actually because of those big changes. I see there's a lot of downloads, and maybe prints out there.. so I know when i change, it's going to be pla and abs lost out there. I don't like it. Sorry again everyone for your lost filament !
I do print all parts with the actual version published here of the smartrap ! ( and proud if it ) It's the only way to see it stands more than half an hour or not :) My settings are 0.25mm layer and i print at 0,25 fill ! It goes around 60mm for print and 100 for moves. i know,at 25% fill , parts are like glass , breaking so easy, but it's the best way i found to see design problems .. IF it brakes when i press, it's bad designed :)

I will post a preview of the new design in 10 minutes in the gallery here ( last pic). Just to have an overview :)

Thank you for proposing debug.. It will certainly help a lot ! ABS should work well too, i printed a lot of lm8 in ans and it worked great ( a little less sliding though). The rest should be indeed very solid .
Ok then I will print in ABS starting tonight. Kickstarter approaching!!
haha. cool :) thank you !
And.. I think you will like the nes design too ( when i will adapt to bearing holders ( yes i will). It will be easier to cnc those parts if you like :P
Hey Sky, can you post a make of the new version (once printed)?

Thanks!
So I started printing the new design (I'm guessing that's V1.0 since the one before was V0.5 and Serge is planning a V2). Total bust. Not because of Serge's design, but because of my printer and ABS. The darned heat bed has so much uneven heating I get warpage, so I can't print a 'plate' of parts, I have to do 1-3 parts at a time. That's the joy of ABS fellas. If I was printing with PLA I wouldn't have this problem. When times comes to make multiples, I think I will cast these puppies and CNC a few parts out of aluminum.
Absolutely!! I'll even put a smart controller on it too!
How can I adapt this to fit a wooden bed (which will have a heatbed attached)?
Hi evamvid,

The servo you gave in link is a standard servo and normally it iwll be too big. I use the micro servo. you will find it on the same website. The one at $5.5 looks perfect.
Can i ask what the dimensions of the glass build plate?
Hi sdfenimore,
The constraint for the glass plate size is the relation between Y and X rods and the Y and X size .
For 220mm rods X and Y we have a 150x150mm glass plate.
The actual model wait for a 4mm thick glass ( Y_ends).
Thank you
So for 250mm rods (I got six of those for consistency), it is a 180x180mm build plate 4mm thick?
When will we see 3mm support? I'm delaying purchasing extruder parts?
Hi Evamvid, I am currently experimenting with a 3mm J Head. I will let you know when I am done with my refinements to see if they suit your build.
Thank you Kris,
Evamvid, for now I prefer to consolid the design with all little necessary adjustments to make it work really good. then I will start all options.
Thx
Also, which one of these would be better for the autoleveling probe? adafruit.com/products/169 or adafruit.com/products/155?

Thanks!
I've almost done with my smartrap. I got the latest marlin and set the configurations, everything seems fine but the bed leveling function. It will only do the probing on the X0 Y0 instead of three points as it should. Anyone know how to solve this problem? Thanks in advance!
JimYu - in reply to JimYu
Sorry, I found out G29 is what I need.
My Smartrap is running! COOL!
Hi Jimyu,

Cool. wonderful :) I was about to talk about that with you.
Happy you found.

congratulations again with your smartrap. it's very cool one !
thank you
Just curious how does D shape motor shaft cross section gets compensated? Do I need to intentionally choice motor shaft which is round cross section?
Hi Gabriel,
I didn't think about D shaped motors :( I've never had, maybe that's why ?
So yes, it is thought with round cross section.
I'm sure there is a way to adapt to a D shaped, but it needs some kind of adaptor, not slipping..
thank you.
I think that would be a pretty quick workaround; a printed adapter and a little bit of glue. You might even be able to run the fishing line directly on the D-shaped shaft....
If you have a pulley lying around, you can use that too. That's if you don't want to print anything. If you have a 5mm NEMA 17 motor shaft, try this: thingiverse.com/thing:34116 which is meant to hold fishing line for a Rostock, but should work fine.
hi serge
printed all the parts for me and a friend and we want to start building next week. How long have to be the rods to get a 20x20cm printer?
cheers
jens
Hi jens,

Well, that would be 270mm for Y axis and around 300mm for X axis.

Thank you
Hi , sorry about the delay , i have put a printed parts kit for this on ebay for cheap, i am us based. If it sells i will make more. Just doing this to help out the people that dont have a printer
Hi Crunchtime2K,

I just bought a set to compare to mine. My LM8UU clamps never seem to be able to hold down the bearings without moving. I will use yours to build a 'control' machine to compare against my remix. Thanks for putting it out there. The pricing is very reasonable.

Samer
Hi crunchtime,
Looks good, thank you. It's great !
What version are we at? I'm a little confused...

:)

Also, is the z-probe functional? Are we close to R+P Drives?
Hi evamvid,
I started to remove "versioning" like we are used to see in standard products. Internally, i'm at 0.4.6 , but now , we enter in the living mode , which means we will constantly updating, but with compatible new versions. We can print this actual version, and update with new designs at any time , when you feel it's worth it. On our side, we do all we can to make the new parts working with the actual "base".
The z-probe is totally functional . You can see it working in video links . we just implemented the marlin version "as is" and it works very well. The good part to do that is that we will benefit from marlin updates without doing extra work on our side.

Rack and pinion are still in the list, but we are now busy with debugging and adjusting this version to be sure we have a really good quality base people can load and build . Also , we are starting to source and assemble the few kits from indiegogo campaign to deliver in time.
I believe we will finalise R+P version in february only . It should be an option with fishing line , so people can choose what to use .

Thank you
HI!, is there a template for drilling the board?.

Also, i dont get how the spectra lines get tensioned.

Great work, as soon as i finish another project i will build one and contribute back!
I found the fishing line video on Vimeo. Pretty easy, just check it out!!
look like the tensioners are missing here and in github.
Hi nicolaz,
You're absolutely right! they are called fishingline_holder . They didnt change between the versions and i didn't re-export them.
They are now in the files. Sorry for that.
Thank you
great, thanks, its also missing on github, on release stl's
Should the M4 bolts mentioned on the BOM for securing the bowden tube also be nuts?

And is the product at seemecnc.com/collections/parts-accesories/products/4mm-quick-connect-ptc-fitting and seemecnc.com/collections/parts-accesories/products/6mm-quick-connect-ptc-fitting compatible? (obviously only the smaller one for now because only 1.75mm filament)

This seems like it would be a relatively inexpensive way to make it easier to remove the bowden tube for mantainence...
Hi evamvid,
Yes, it hsould be nuts. will update. Thank you for correcting me.
Those pressfits will be integrated . I just ordered some, but i made a mistake and took the one with imperial screw around 8mm :(
base plate and endx_jhead will be opdated to take those, it's more easy to setup than threading the bowden cable.
how about cooling the j-head clone? read a lot that they have to be cooled when printing PLA
Ok, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but if i do not ask, i will sit here scratching my head for days.. The X and Y axis.. the fishing line is just wrapped around the post on the motor? nothing needed?
Hi sdfenimore,
Well, yes. i just wrap the line around the motor's axis, but 7 or 8 times ! under it could slip. With 8 turns and the tensioners, it really doesn't move . Maybe take care to sand a little the axis ? I didn't try but i thought about that this morning :)
Thank you for your answer, now i get it, and love it.. One further question, will you be posting the Tensioners on Thingiverse?
They are now in files . Sorry for the mistake, i forgot to report them between versions.
Thank you
Fantastic Thanks
i will be making a kit for you guys and throwing it on ebay later tonight for a low price.
Hi crunch,
Sounds good, i will buy you 10 . I need some :)
ok i will list it in the morning.
For bigger build volumes (i.e 200x200x200 and up), would it make more sense to move to M12 Rods and bearings to prevent the printhead from sagging?
I think the problem with bigger size will be om x_axis ( as anyone can imagine easy ). I would better go to aluminium rods and make it as light as i can than going to heavy 12mm.
The last design of plate_x makes it definitely more stable, i will test but i think it goes easy to 200mm.
How much have you played with build area? How far do you think it'll go before the printhead shows sagging?
I just tried 200x200x150, but really, not long enough . I'm busy now to adjust the "Ready to ship and shop " model. With the actual version, i believe we can do 200x3 without problems.
Has anyone thought about integrating printed bushings? I think Serge said somewhere that printed bushings weren't working so well for him. Serge, which thing did you use?

Can I reccomend thingiverse.com/thing:102482? Jspark included a video which shows them working pretty well.
Hi evamvid,
In fact, i eventually had good result ( with a litle oil) and for now i'm happy with printed bushing.. BUT, i'm not sure about how long it keeps going well . Need more time and more test. I'm curious what happend when it becomes old, and if it can block the all axis. So for now, i keep using standard lm8uu , for safety reasons :)
Happy New Year, Serge! Thanks for making this great machine. Is it OK if I build the print size as 250mm x 200mm x 150mm?

Will a 5mm glass bed weight too much for the fishing line on this size?
JimYu - in reply to JimYu
Another question, I can't find the other end_x part on this page. Is it OK to use the "x_end.stl" in the "old" folder from github?
Hi Jim,
Thank you and Happy new year to you , and everyone here :):)
I think 250mm on Y is very possible ( the most stable axis) , then 200mm on other axis should be ok.
5mm glass with this size will be ok for the fishing line, but for the rest, you need to test :) i didn't do t this size

about x_end.stl, it was indeed missing. It should be back in files ..from yesterday now.

thank you
My machine is at 200mm in X and Y but in Z, I left it at 150mm. If you decide to go higher, you should use a larger threaded rod since the thin stuff tends to bend and wobble under strain.

On another note, I am re-doing my X-Plate (again) to use my Remix of V4 and not using the printed LM8UU bearing mounts. I dug around and found 4 bearings with the built in pillow blocks similar but not the same as these: ebay.com/itm/8-linear-bearing-pillow-blocks-SBR30UU-with-LM20UU-in-/130711268274?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&;hash=item1e6effabb2. What I like about these is that they are solid and already tapped, so I can set aside the M3 nuts Put together they present a continuous 'tube' of linear bearing the length of the X-Plate. Install the rods into the bearings, then the XJhead pieces and position the pillow blocks on the plate. Drill your holes (which may or may not be the same as the ones I have there), push in your M3 screws and you are done.
For a build plate, I used some left over 2mm acrylic cut on my mini table saw to support a 200mmx200mm heatbed. I cut more strips to help stop the plate from bending and voila.
Samer
maybe I missed it, but what electronic board is used?

Did you make a special firmware for the Smartrap or how do you include the Auto levelling bed ?

Marc
Hi Marc,

The board you see on videos is a megatronics V2, but on our kits, it will be more a ramps1.4 .
I didn't do any special firmware , I just used the last marlin which integrate this auto levelling bed system.
In all case, there will be soon on github the all config for marlin and slic3r ( i use it with repetier host, but i guess it's the same in all hosts).
Super, thanks for the info Serge
Do you recommend using aluminum rods for the x-axis?
Practically speaking, IMO, it depends on the alloy the rods are made of and whether you use bearings or bushings. If you are using plastic or metal smooth bushings and the rods are solid, or close to it that they will resist bending forces, then yes. If you choose to use linear bearings like the LM8UU bearings, then no. They ball bearings will easily wear grooves in the rod and eventually introduce slop in your travel. Serge might have other thoughts, but that's my experience with these things. I generally use hardened steep rods. If you are able, gather up all the dead inkjet and laser printers you can get your hands on and tear them apart collecting all those beautiful rods. Generally speaking each printer and/or scanner will have 1 to 4 useful rods (don't bother with ones that holes or ridges in the middle). Match the rods to the bearings or bushings to determine what you use on which axis. So long as they fit, you'll be fine.
Thank you for your useful advice! I think this Smartrap will be my first 3D printer. I've seen your great work on this machine and found it has almost been done, May I ask what's still a matter of the latest design that you still haven't finish the last part? Thanks again for your great efforts on this machine! I can't wait to get a solid design and build one on my own!
Hi, this will be my first printer too. I am looking into buying smooth rods and there are many options to choose from. it seem that this steel (115CrV3 / 1.2210 - Silberstahl in german) is the one commonly used. Maybe that helps you on your quest.
Don't thank me, thank Serge. He invented it. I am done with mine. At this point I am just refining. I will post pictures as I add things. Right now I am printing an enclosure for the electronics.

Samer
What is the length for the M5 Bolt that goes in the side of plate_x?
I think my response vanished, so I will try again. It's not an M5 bolt, it's an M5 *nut*. It goes into the little slot on the side of the X-Plate and the threaded rod goes through it. You can use 3/8 or 1/4" threaded rod and a low profile nut to make this work. Those are close enough to M5 rods if you can't find metric components or don't want to wait on them from Amazon.

Samer
Thank you Samer,
My bad, i've said bolt, it's definitely a nut :) Normally with this last version, you can pre-setup the nut on the threaded rod, then insert the all thing from the side on the plate_x . It should snap gently enough to prevent the rod to get out.
Hello Serge,

Indeed. I will likely use an imperial rod just because I am impatient although I have an M5 lying around here somewhere (probably buried in the lab upstairs). I am now also printing a housing for the Smart Controller and I put the whole thing on a piece of 8"x8" metal plate. Next, I will print feet and a box for the RAMPS 1.4. I ordered a J-Head just now, but still need that part that is holding it to the X_Jhead end, which appears to be missing from your file set. I also wanted to know about the purpose of bottom_z_extruder and where that goes.

Samer
Hi Samer,
I've put the jhead_attach.stl. It was indeed missing!? Sorry about that.
bottom_z_extruder comes behind the two motors and is attached by an M4x60 like the others bottoms. There's 3 total with 3 M4x60 with places for integrated M4 nuts ( in the central bottom plate) and they block the all motors to the bottom.
about the ramps, i was about to design a support too ( boxes i find seem a little big to print for me actually, i thought about a more simple frame).
Thank you
Thanks Serge,

I will proceed to print this part and reply to your eMail now.

Samer
welcome. thanks to you. i even didn't see it was missing :(
I know why. it's because in the firsrt place it comes from another design of an attach for a jhead.
Note : i've updated plate_x because there was a problem with the M5 + nuts part : there was not really a snapping place working, so the M5 could get out too easy. If you don't want re-print, maybe you will need to put something there to keep the M5 in place.
sorry about that .
I might retrofit something there, or just keep the nut down with a small piece of styrene to prevent it from slipping out. A little epoxy will also hold it in place nicely. Answered your eMail a few minutes ago. Am looking forward to the next version. Just bought 3 more reels of filament to go crazy with and hopefully will have my Printrbot up and running too so that I can make more goodies at the same time.
Awesome thanks sky!

Just FYI you can get Metric parts in the States from McMaster-Carr. I also get them in small amounts at the local hardware store.
It's not really a bolt as much as it is threaded rod. I am using ordinary Home Depot threaded rod (3/8 or smaller will work fine). You will need to insert the nut in the x-plate, so you will need a low profile nut or a square nut.
Serge,

A question: the file bottom_z_extruder goes where? Is there a a part that is supposed to hold the hot end to the xJHead?

Samer
Serge,

Have a look at the V4 of my X-Plate remix and tell me what you think. I must have printed 5 or 6 versions of this thing so far in various shapes and forms and this one seems to be the best. I did my best to preserve your existing geometry.
Hi Samen,
Wow, they look very strong now. I will try a version here too. I'm not sure i will integrate them in the main design because it seems ...a little too strong to me ? I know it's crazy as it's cannot be "too" strong :)
You just make me try my holders largers and biggers, You point out that this part needs more work anyway, and you're totaly right !
Thank you for your work.. i see you spent lot of time on it.
Your version is already a good option anyway, it's great to have choice !
Your updates will certainly look better than mine. I am still cutting my teeth with design and only with TinkerCAD (I'm still trying to wrap my head around Alibre and DesignSpark). At what point do you think V0.6 will be available to try? I purchased a Mk 7 drive gear and a Bowden tube and if all arrives by next week I should be in business. Also what are your thoughts on scaleability? For example if I use longer 8mm rods for the bed and the X-axis is 200mmx200mm viable (if I use a wooden platform and attach a heatbed and glass surface) -- I imagine a that's not necessary for PLA but it is for ABS.

Samer
Thank you samer, but your models look absolutely great. Tinkercad is wonderful, i use it often for building some ideas because it's really fast. I don't go to the end because i didn't find how to make an all design and export separately the parts.
About the next design, i'm working hard on a parametric model, so we can ( you all in fact) more easy adjust to desired feature or special hardware around.
I started with openscad , but I don't really like the interactive api here. I'm affraid it will be openjscad (wonderful project) setup on my own website with a better designed options interface and real time models !
more to come soon.. i think next week..
Serge,

If you look at the photo in my X Plate remix you will see the outcome of the design change. Overall, it is very solid, albeit 'heavy metal' with all those screws. The motor should handle it fine though. This approach can use less metal if the holders are one piece and can be slotted into the plate and secured with 3-4 screws (instead of 16 as I have it. Amazingly my parts from McMaster arrived within 24 hours (must be the holiday season) and building can now continue.

Samer
I look forward to it. I am especially enjoying getting the parts to work out one by one. I'll hopefully print your 0.6 parts on the 0.5.1!

Samer
Serge, since the smartrap is for 1.75 filament I need to source some parts. What filament skrew will work? Mk8?
Hi nepaholic,

Mk8 will do as the design works with a 7mm diameter screw,
I've just sourced some mk7 as it seems to be a standard. Problem is 10mm working diameter, so we can't go further with the bearing on the actual design. There's not enough space.
This will lead us to a new plate_base version i think, with reversed extruder part again ( the other side of the motor). That will let us enough space to have all options ( mk7 mk8 1,75mm 3mm filament). I will just separate the bearing holder , assembled with a M3 passing through the plate. There will be a large hole with some grip system to adjust to all options.
thank you
Thanks for your reply. Oh no a new design change. :( I thought to start in the beginning of the new year with the smartrap
haha, sorry for that !
But really, if you use a brass insert or mk8, it will work without any change right now !
I'm afraid you will see design changed a lot of times for the next two years :) It's really the basis of this project ( the living machine). We can always build one at any point ( i have actually this 0.4.6 version at home) and then updating and upgrading easy by printing new parts, disassembling and replacing parts.
You will have this cycle anytime you see an interesting update.
If everything goes well, your smartrap next year should look totally different than today.
Don't forget to take photos ?
Haha no problem serge. I really looking forward for this. Btw where did you got your J-head, from eBay? Sure I will make pictures and upload them.
Jhead i have now where bought at reprapworld (clones). They work correctly.
There's one on ebay selling a pre-assembled jhead with bowden and pressfitting at a nice price (you will find it). I took 3 for testing .
There will be an option to have pneufit adaptors for the bowden cable. It's more easy to setup than to thread the bowden cable.
Maybe just drill the holen bigger to fit a pneumatic coupling and then glue them in place?
Thanks. Yes I have seen it and thought about to order this. Would be nice if you could make the hole bigger to fit the pneumatic fitting. Cheers
Jens
Yes, I will definitely do that.
I wait to receive some and maybe the support on xend jhead will go out , as it seems they directly fit the pneufit on the jhead ( more simple).
Hi Serge,

Can you advise where you source your M4 fittings for the Bowden tube? I can only find M5 fittings. Also where have you found the tubes themselves? I note that you list 250mm long tubing but not the inner diameter of the tube (which would have to match the fitting of course.

Merci!

Samer
Hi samer,
Bowden tube is 4mm outside and 2mm inside ( for 1.75 filament). The 4mm fitting is because i use a simple 4mm bolt and i thread the tube both ends by hand myself. It's quiet simple to do ( need a M4 thread tool though)..
There will be soon an option to have pneufit adaptors . So there will be a bigger hole on both sides. M8,
Hi Serge,
where have you buy your Servo?
Hi Le-Seaw,

The one you see on videos was in home for a long time, but it's a standard micro servo used for modelism.

I intend to use the pololu classic one : pololu.com/product/1053 . It's cheap and it really don't need any strength ( only the switch to move .
I'm having a LOT of trouble printing the plate_base STL file. I get the basic piece, but the filament passageways and the extruder 'head' (basically anything that rises above the surface of the plate) will not print properly. Does anyone have a Solidoodle compatible GCode file I can try? I even uploaded the file to Shapeways to see if that would work out, but Shapeways complains of walls that are too thin (in the same areas). Ponoko complains that there are non manifold mesh errors and won't accept it. Can someone suggest a solution? Perhaps an older version of this file would work out better?
Hi Samen,
We have had some troubles with this plate_base. But with the last version, the model passed the usual tests with netfabb.
I will test further . Sorry for the trouble.
Hi Serge,

No trouble at all. Isn't that what experimentation is all about? I posted a remixed version that did print fine. I do have some questions and maybe you can answer them:

1) I am not clear as to the purpose of the 'T' shaped slot at the top of one of the filament guides. I know this is the extruder portion, but I don't see what that's for.
2) Is there a benefit to making the LM8UU bearing mount integral to this base plate and it's companion, thus eliminating 2 parts (I will post a remix shortly) -- the LM8UU base and base2 files? You appear to have had that in previous versions but left that off in V0.5.
3) Would you consider the bearing on plate_base.stl being on a slot to that compression against the filament can be adjusted (and so support 3mm filament in the future)? This can also be spring loaded to allow for dynamic adjustment to accommodate kinks in the filament as it goes by.

Please let me know your thoughts and again many, many, many thanks for this project.
Hi samen,
Thank you for your thoughts and interest.
1) I'm not sure about which T shape?
2) I would love to have the holders integrated and yes, i tried. Unfortunately, te holders where printed in the wrong way( horizontaly), so they broke very easy ( we should print them vertically to have a better elasticity). And if that hapend, you need to reprint the all plate.

3) You touch again a sensitive point of the design :-) I've just broke the bearing holder because there is much pressure on it and it is again printed the wrong way to handle correctly this force. It's a real subject to have the right way to print parts taking account of the applied forces.
So,yes, i can only consider upating this part. There is here only two solutions : one is to put an M3 screw traversing the plate and holding te bearing ( so adjustable for 3mm). Other solution is to come back to a separate bearing holder with springs ( adjustable too). I will tr both right after chrismass.

Thank you again for your debug..it is so helpfull!
Hi Serge,

If you look at plate_base.stl at the top of the plate where the filament passes the bearing holder there is a 'T' shaped opening at the end (I can't attach photos or images here). This is what I am referring to.

Have a look at my remixes, I put holders there for us. Frankly I grabbed parts jspark drew and 'fused' them with plate_base and plate_y, so the holders are not my design but they are very, very solid.

As for the bearing holder, I have an idea or two I might try out this evening. As things wind down for us for the year here in the US, I will find myself bored with just eating all holiday-long and will turn to playing with this item. I think I can 'clone' the holding door on my Solidoodle extruder to match the plate but with the bearing holders there it will be SUPER tight as fit goes if I am to preserve the existing geometry. I think it's viable but it will take some iterations. I am not a design expert (I am a mechanical engineer and an IT tech though), so I am doing my best with TinkerCAD.

Samer
Ho yes,sorry. I see it now. It is the place where we insert the M4 bolt from the bowden tube. I'm still with this solution of threading the bowden tube and screw a bolt. It works quiet well and very cheap. There will certainly be a press fit option coming ( m5 or m8 hole? ).
About the bearing holders, yours look very straight indeed:-) . The problem in the precedent design was not the shape, but the fact they where printed horizontally oriented. That make the side of the bearing holder fragile, as the layers made by the print are on the z axis. That makes the holder brake easy if it's a little too tight. With the actual solution, separated bearing holders are printed verticaly, so the layers are going along the y axis, so we can use the elasticity of the pla without breaking it. I'm not sure i explain it well, but it's just about the printed layers orientation. You must take this in account while designing to be sure the forces applied to the parts are not going to the wrong orientation. If wrong, the part breaks very easily. If we could print base_plate vertically ( y up), we could have integrated bearing
Happy Holidays Serge,

I made another change (see remixes) this time to the X-Plate. As I continued with my build I found that the holder keeping down the LM8UU bearings just was subject to too much bending forces and so allowed the bearings to wiggle and wobble. So, again, I grafted on the same bearing holders that JSpark had done earlier and they look great. I will print those today or tomorrow and continue building.

Samer
Hi again Serge,

Take a look at my remix of the base plate and you'll see a photo of the assembled base and X-axis. I don't intend my bed to be as big as the picture suggests, but there is no reason for it not to be. Everything came out nicely. I do have to adjust the base plate (add 2 holes, trim off one edge), but otherwise it turned out nicely. I will plan to finish the build this week/weekend. I will be using a RAMPS 1.4 with an external LCD screen and controller and an SD Card reader.
Hi Serge.

If that is the issue then the answer is simple, print the part sans-holders and I can point you to the actual holders (see jspark's work) and we can print them separately. I printed many of these with the holder on its side, so yes, it is very strong with the 'hole up' during printing (I am using ABS, BTW, not PLA). Then we just bolt on (or glue on) the holders as a separate unit. I actually have a bunch of these already printed and can do this easily tonight. On plate-Y I will need to drill a pair of holes to accommodate the existing holes in the plate (or align to recycle the holes in the LM8 holder). Then I will have the best of both worlds. Here is jspark's LM8 holder: thingiverse.com/thing:86191.

Incidentally, as I make model miniatures I use several types of superglue. The one I use for this is a type of machinable cyano-acrylate (superglue) that is super super strong and is called (I think) "Lightning Bond". However, from what I see I can use 3 screws instead of 4 to hold the holders on the plate and for Plate-Y and the base plate just redrill the holes that get covered up.

Much testing tonight!

Samer
A friend Is shipping me a new hotend, so I will be able to print the newest revision. How stable is this current version wobbles? Shakes etc.

I backed a kickstarter project a while back called microduino, really small arduino board. When fall term starts I thnk I will be ordering the stepper drivers that they make as well. Might even design a shield for this core to fit this printer i will let you know if i go any further on this project (the shield that is, ramps mini maybe ? )
Hi OCybress,
This last version is very stable with the updated parts , especially on the X axis. The Y axis where always very stable though.
We decided to use ramps 1.4 eventually. It's really the most open and standard .
Thank you
Oh and what is the thickness of the glass bed?
we use 4mm glass actually.
Thanks, I know your doing at lot but can you make holders that would support 2.5 and 3mm glass?

And a ramps is ctually what I am using for this printer atm.
Holders for 2.5 and 3mm are very easy to do. I'm just thinking where to put all options we will have for different parts. For now i think it will be on github.
One thing I am noticing as missing are the couplers for the motors and the pulleys to enable movement. These parts are the frame, but the moving (i.e. turning) parts are not here. The design does lend itself to use linear rails like:

thingiverse.com/thing:8749
There's also a Printable XY Linear Rail I downloaded some time ago that would work. The toothed rail would mount to the table and the motor (being in the middle between the 8mm rods) would move it back and forth.

And if using belts and pulleys, parts like this:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:22797

Nonetheless, some view of the STLs for the parts for the actual motion (pulleys, wheels, etc.) would be very helpful!

Thanks,

Samer
Hi samen,
It's my fault to don't explain it right for now. We miss good documentation because we where more focused on finishing the design. There is actually everything to make the printer work : we use fishing line for X and Y axis and we use a comon coupler (5mm to 5mm) for X axis.
About the printed rail, it's planned for a very next version. It seems to work very well :)
Thank you
Would you post a photo with the rail so I can see it? I will use one of my standard spiral cut aluminum couplers? Also what sort of fishing line and how is it secured to the shaft of the stepper? And when able, perhaps you can provide calibration details. Finally, if you ever wanted to market this in the US and need help, please count me in. I have enough printers here (7) that I can produce plate after plate after plate pretty quickly, and can even cast plates once I have a master. Another thing I plan to use here is Prusa's new all metal hot end ($95 from his website). This thing is one piece (core and all) and is a thing of beauty. I will also test with my various hot ends here as well. I had some trouble printing one item, but found the issue to be slic3r and fixed it. If I can get the last 3 parts done today, I will be assembling today. I think I will also extend my 8mm rods (i.e. not cut them) to see whether I can put my 200mmx200mm bed there. I would be putting a heated bed under the main bed for this purpose so I can print in ABS as well as PLA.
WOW, Lot's of improvements in v0.5. Great to see the project developing.

While I like the idea of the automated bed leveling, it contradicts the "make the most simple 3d-printer" theme. Having screws, springs and bolts to level the bed isn't really simpler, but having a servo seems a little overrated to me. Couldn't you just flip the end-stop down by hand for calibration and then flipp it back up before the print starts? Or take the last calibration settings? It's not completely automatic, but I wouldn't expect that from a "simple" printer.

It makes a great add-on though! :D
Hi krummrey.
You're right, I asked also myself if a servo would not make the thing too complicated too. But now i've seen it working, I think we eventually win globally because i could make the all bed part more simple ( just place to put the glass on ). This version of the servo is just a copy of other's design. I'm going to integrate it better and more simple to install ( just one screw ). For the price, it's good too, as those servos cost around $5.
Thank you
How is the servor controlled? Special firmware? And you need an other port to control the servo on the electronics board. So you need a RAMPS? Or are you using some clever way to control the servo?
the servo solution is the marlin last firmware proposal. I just implemented it without any change .
For the electronics, you don't need any special pin (pwr) only a common digital pin will do, as the servo lib is software controlled. For example, on the megatronics, I've used the MAX X enstop pin. On sanguinolulu, people use the pin 27 (A4 on the extension ports), For the ramps, read the marlin readme on github, he explains it very well.
thank you .
I am so close to building this thing, my main printer just started throwing fits.. and I am tired of having to pull the entire extruder body off the x axis to fix it. I need a MK8 or equivalent drive gear located in the US, and cant seem to find any on ebay. Have any suggestions? Are the holes from the extruder big enough to allow 3mm filament as that's all I have at the moment, and If i butcher my current 3d printer for the steppers and the hot end I can have this thing built in no time.

Oh and ware do you get your bowden parts, I have never messed with bowden and don't know ware to or what to get for the top of the hot end and for the other end.

Thanks.
Hi OCybress,

Thank you for your interest in this project.
It is true i've seen the maritime brass insert only in europa. Strangely.
It's only the beginning of this model, so we miss options for different sources around the world. That will come i'm sure.
MK8 should work direct, as it's 7mm diameter, like the brass insert i've used. MK7 not, because it's 10mm.
I didn't test with 3mm for now (even i have some) , i believe it's possible of course. It needs some bigger holes and another bowden tube. I will test soon now ( was busy with the next update).
About the two ends of the bowden tube, i just thread them (easy to do) and put a M4 bolt. The support is made for this option.
Very soon will be pneumatic support (with 5 or 8mm threaded holes).
Thank you
and at what speed does this printer print stable? I would assume with a bowden it can get going pretty fast. I have a PMI2 and its quality is getting a bit off.
I'm working on more stability on X axis. It was still a little light . I'm working at 40mm/s print and around 100mm/s move.
I'm quiet sure we will be faster , it's very light on the head side and the base (Y) is very stable.
How far are we from 0.5? I'm excited for an R&P system!
Hi evamvid,
Well, i would love to see it already too, but i thought the auto leveling bed system was more important for this design (simplicity) than the rack and pinion. Fishing line works well and with those tensioners, it is made really more easy.
But it will come, no doubt !
You have seen there wasn't update for a week now, I was also testing and consolidating the model a little everywhere. That takes always lot of time ( design-print-assemble-test-disasemble loop ). All will be updated before end of this week.
Thank you
Hi,

what are you gonna to improve for 0.5?
Hi flow,
Well, what i called 0.5 is still not ready. But i started it in github with the main feature to be the rack&pinion option for sliding x y. IT will be updated from the changes I've made in between on this version ( called 0.4.5).
big changes are : no more wood or aluminium need, auto bed leveling, glass bed, ramps 1.4 box with connectors (still working on this one.).
I hope update tomorrow with the actual changes.
thank you
Hi Serge,

I'm close to finishing v0.4.5 with the fishing line and I'm not sure if the print quality will be good. Too much wobble on all axes. I tried to fix it with tape and/or zip ties. Nevertheless my 3mm mod seems to work quite well, just have to mod the bowden tube with a m6 nut or something similiar.
I hear you. You're right; auto-bed leveling is another RepRap innovation that has yet to come to commercial models. It just goes to show the power of Open-Source and collaboration.
Very nice, but I'm an easily confused guy and have a few questions:

1. Which STLs should I print, those from here or those from Github? Github stl dir contains several subdirs, latest would be V0.5 but that seems to be work in progress (very few files).
2. Do I need just one of each STL or are there some to print multiple times?
3. What's the recommended thickness for the wooden base plate and the bed plate?
4. An "all printed structure" is announced somewhere, that means without wooden base, I suppose? Any plans on when that'll be ready?

Thanks and keep up the great work!
Hi ChristianSi,

I understand you're confused, it's true the github is messy right now. The best is to take the files here. They are the release version.

1- I'm working on github to make more standard folders _> release, development, old (there will be some versions).
2- You're right, I should put the num in the file name like other do, we need 2 of the fishline_holder , all the rest is printed once.
3- I use 8mm polywood, it's very enough. I think 6mm would do it too
4- This version is in test here ( with a very nice surprise about auto-levelling bed too). But now there is more people following the project and printing ( thanks to all by the way), i prefer to update or change files only when it's good tested here, so there's less bugs and less lost PLA for everyone. ( i hate loosing PLA from someone else because i did a bug or bad tested a version). So , it should come this week. It is indeed very much like the 0.4.6 pictures you see. No more wood or aluminium, but still rods, motors , hotend and electronics :)

Thank you for the compliment .

Serge
Is there a better BOM coming?
Hi ItNItro,
Yes. i'm working on a more detailled bom. In table form so you can check what is missing. Sorry for the delay, i was working on a nice update.
Plate_base.stl for v4.5 is broken on github. Wont load into slicer.
Oops. sorry about that. i'm checking right now. Netfabb says it's not closed. I will certainly update in a few moment.
Repair it via netfabb and you're good to go.
Just tried netfabb, errors out with : "mesh could not be loaded. Invalid file?".
yep, thanks just letting him know.
Which slic3r version are you using?
Do you want me to send you a repaired file?
ah probably not the newest, I pulled the updated version from thingiverse. Thanks though.
I have a few questions, Can you make a template for the wooden base (for drill holes?), Exactly what extruder gear are you using? and what fittings are you using for your bowden setup?

Thanks.
Great project btw, just need steppers and I will have one up and running.
Hi OCybress,
Thank you for your comment.
It's a good idea to make a template for the wood. I didn't do because the size of this plate is open to adapt any electronic controller you may have at home. The only thing to do is to drill those two holes for the Z-axis rods and the best way to do is to use the plate_base as a template , so you're certain the holes are in the right position.
I'm just updating this part to add two small holders fixed on the plank. That would let us to adjust the z-rods to be perfectly adjusted. Actually, if there's a mistake while drilling, it will be wrong and we will need to start a new plank! not good.
Update coming today or tomorrow.

The extruder gear is a brass insert with 7mm diameter active. So an mk8 will do too or any gear at 7mm diameter.
I'm working on a 10mm diameter, for MK7.
How much is lost on the z-rods? How long would they need to be for a 200mm height?
Hi evamvid,

The z axis is where we loose the most length. The bed is at 95mm from the ground. so for 200mm high printing, we need around 300mm z rods.

thank you.
Hi Serge,
I do not see Z threaded rod on the BOM pdf that is in thingiverse. That's still needed, right? A little shorter than the Z smooth rod?
Hi hwiguna,
Thank you. I will update the BOM . For 250mm z we need a M5 of 170mm ( and a bolt to insert in plate_X).
Thanks Serge.
=Hari=
Your lm8 base holders don`t fit with latest base x and base y.
Ho maybe you talk about the github version ? I will check .
There is a ongoing 0.4.6 version with lot of changes. One of them is a changing position of the Y motor, to let more space for the screw on the lm8 holders ( they are too tight in this 0.4.5 version).
For the files here, you made me check all and i realised i did a mistake : there was 2 plate_base and no more plate_X. Sorry for that. Now it's repaired (and all checked back ).
Thank you
Which holders should I print now? Im confused.
Actually, the best option is to use the models here in thingiverse. I take more care to be synchronised here ( all files working together).
I just updated a clean version on github though. The working version is actually 0.4.5.
Sorry for the confusion.
When the 0.4.6 becomes good enough, that means tested with photos and videos running, then i will update here.
So I should print the ones here on thingi, I mean the holders.
Yes. It's better. they go well together here. I will make changes on github to work more standard => with branches for development, so when you go there you have only one stl folder with current version (same as here).
sorry for messing up, i'm a little surprised by the interest of this model here :)
good surprise of course, i'm very glad.
Thank you
nice design! is it possible you could lay some of the pieces down flat for easier printing?
Thank you smarcks,

Yes, it's not nice to don't prepare the stl files better (ready to print). I'm working on that, but from blender it's a little complicated without script.
As i'm working on a parametric model, it will be more easy to export all well oriented..as well as plates.
Coming soon :)
you have to rotate them in a program like netfab. works good
Serge, i have trouble with the x plate. the holder for the z axis bearings are to big for me. the bearings are very loose inside. maybe 1mm... have you the same problem? i use the new updated part from today...
Z bearings are loose for me also. According to my caliper the inside diameter is 15.4mm. The actual bearing diameter is 15mm. Serge probably meant to subtract instead of add 04.mm from the bearing diameter. :-)
15.4 for you ? ok. that's interesting. I'm really running on to a parametric model, so we can adapt to each printer with test model. It is important for this design, as we try to use plastic elasticity to smap , fit, maybe thread directly. I hope we have it soon, so experience will be better for everyone.
Ho, damed. I just checked and see i let some tests in the today version :( . Sorry about that. I was testing for the parametric model i started to how much we can go before being loose. So those holes are at 15.8mm. way too large.
I will update with a 15mm version in the next minutes.
While i was testing, i used some blue tape around the bearings to make them tight ( maybe it can help for this print ? )
Thank you for the feedback
wow Serge. You are so fast, what an awesome customer service. Thanks for updating the part... well yes blue tape might help but i will print the part again. it is much safer
haha. it's well known that open source service customers are better than companies' one :)

ok. Yes it's better. sorry for the plastic lost. I hate bugs because of that. i know it can make loose plastic to someone.
no problem mate...
Serge,
Just want to report a minor issue I discovered...
I've just printed plate_x.stl and one of the LM8UU groove is a bit too short. The other three even have some "tolerance" but one of them is shorter than the other three grooves. You can see it in this screenshot.
http://imgur.com/U93PdV2

I like the the clamp design!
=Hari=
I've updated the new plate_x . It was indeed a bug. I have all LM8 groove at 25mm length, but this one .
thank you for the feedback :)
For me it worked, just had to snap it in, no problem at all.
Hi Serge,
I don't get where the extruder fits in? Is it part of the base plate?
I'd love to see you showing how that works in a video.
Hi krummrey,

In this video (its long but we see all ) , at start, you can see a close up of the extruder working :

vimeo.com/79484258

I know there is only one option actually : It's 1.75mm, brass insert. I'm working to make more options about that . Even a separate extruder to plug-in in place . This one is integrated for the simplicity, it's base on the rockstock extruder.

Thank you
docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnREfybtmEJNdElDa2d1a09NQ3ozSmVYaW hOeFZBUGc&usp=drive_web#gid=0

A BOM with links to the parts online. Anyone willing to help bring the cost down further? Trying to buy within europe only to avoid problems with customs,
Wonderful bom ,
I will see if i find some good links to add there ? we can compare some providers this way. it's fine.
Yes please, would love to see more options on the spreadsheet. Got the total below 220,- now. Can we get it below 200?
Hi Serge,

please clean the mesh on the base plate again.
Hi flow,

Are you sure you get the right version ? i check here and don't see anymore those "flying faces " . The extruder part base is not beautiful but it prints good here, no problems.
Maybe i miss something ?
Print is okay but netfabb wants to repair it everytime. Will post a make later.
Ho, ok. I see now.
It's true since blender export very good quality stl, i didn't check in netfab anymore. I will do that again i guess.
Thank you flow.
Love the simple design!
Do you think that this could be used as a printer AND a Laser engraver/cutter (thin material obviously) by replacing the print head with an interchangeable laser and setting up software accordingly?
Hi EDB,
I hope yes! My dream would be that the smartrap become a base to all kind of different settings. That's why i wanted to try the most simple reprap to assemble AND disassemble :)
I was thinking laser head ( but i never did a home laser cut before.. anyone ? ) , pastry extruder, double head..etc.
Thank you
COOL, and would the print area be able to be made larger by the use of a longer x / z tube lengths? or would the machine become unstable? i am looking to do a laser engraver project next and i think i will keep my eye on this as it looks just like what i have in mind but i wanted a A3 print area for laser work.
A3 will certainly be extreme for the Smartrap, but hey, why not ? I already thought about extension and designed a separate support , on the other side of the bed , with a simple skate bearing. That would keep the bed in place in case of bending.
Now the X-axis could also bend if too long, we will need to try until where we can go. I didn't have time to do it until now, but will certainly do.
Thank you .
For a newbie to making my own machine, will you be posting a list of the electronics and mecanical parts needed for this model?
Yes, there is a Smartrap BOM - what is necessary.pdf in the files. It's maybe not totally complete , but gives details about what you need to start.
I'm working on the doc too. And videos too.
great! thanks so much - i really appreciate the hard work and constant updates you are putting up! - keep up the GREAT work you are doing!!!
Thank you :)
I'm hoping to build this printer soon. I'm still sourcing the parts. My biggest challenge is finding the rods.
Hi jaeg.

Thank you. I hope you find the rods. I use simple ones, Now i'm testing with aluminium tubes 8mm for X axis (lighter) and printed bushing. It seems to work quiet well .
I was watching your live stream earlier. It's a very quick printer! I'm excited to build this. Do you have a recommendation as to where to get the filament drive for the stepper motor?
Ha, thank you .
Actually, i use a very simple fishing line : 0,025 13kg . But it's already working very well.
Tomorow i will post new videos to show how to setup the lines...and other things i hope :)
I'm referring to the drive on the extruder stepper motor the pushes the filament along. Does it matter what it is?
oops, sorry, my bad.

I use a maritime brass insert . you can find them on reprap.org there : reprap.org/wiki/Drive-gear

I will work on adaptation for different models. especially the mk7.
Does the size matter?
Actually yes. The bearing comes to 3mm from the motor axe. It is important because i choose to have a fixed bearing position, instead of using screws and springs. If size change, the force against the filament could not be right anymore and we would have slipping, or too much pressure.
You make me think i must publish the exact size ( diameter ) of the brass insert !
thank you.
Is that a 5mm threaded rod you're using?
Yes the exact size does help a lot. haha I'm hoping I can use any 3mm brass insert since I really don't want to have to order from the UK for just one part. I'll look around to see what I can find.

Thanks for your quick responses!
It is indeed a 5mm threaded rod. like the prusa I3.
Ok, thanks. That coupler you use, is that the same one in the earlier version's folders on github? I don't see it in the current listing.
the coupler is : thingiverse.com/thing:107935 .
I don't know how to link it in my list :)
Thank you
Well drats. My plan to get them printed off at the lab at my university backfired.
evamvid - in reply to jaeg
Which university?

Try makexyz.com/
bon j ai lancé les impressions de la v4.5

pourrais tu me donner un lien pour acheter la même hotend que la tienne ?
The Base Plate is messed up near the filament out
Hi flow,
You're right. I just checked. I will repair.
It did print well here anyhow . Didn't see that one, thank you.
Where and how do you install the bowden on the plate anyhow? I try to get it working with 3mm and mini hyena :)
It's all made for 1.75 pla for now. There will be an update with 3mm versions later.
Also, actualy , it's the minimum system for the bowden cable : i thread it M4 and use one bolt at each size. There will be also an update (option) with pneufit adaptors. It's really the most simple solution.
Serge,
I like the new way you clamp the bearings. Easier to print and improving strength! I also like that you keep the fishing line over the rack and pinion. Less printed parts and avoids gear backlash. The tensioner piece will account for the stretchiness of the fishing line. Excellent work!
Thank you hwiguna,
I really prefer this version too. It feels better after some feedbacks. I'm assembling it and will post new pictures and videos soon.
One showing some assembling is on vimeo now. Not complete, but it's a start :)
Serge
Why Indiegogo? The peachy printer made half a million on kickstarter but only seventy thousand on indiegogo.
Hi mikefiatx19,

Yeah, i know ( wonderful project by the way :) . It's just that i'm french and kickstarter is not possible from here.
It is true it starts very slooooowly. But i know why, the Smartrap doesn't look like a product for now, it's real dev. Maybe too early .
That doesn't change anything here anyway :) It's very cool to share a project like this with people like we find here ! that's the real value.

Thank you
Wow great work. Always when I want to start printing again there are new updates. Guess it is better to wait a month or 2 until start printing?
Hi nepaholic,
Well, yes i was updating a little too fast. I think i will first debug and make the actual version (0.4) very secure, then we will see for the 0.5 . Changes are too much and it will bring an all new list of debugs.
So , not waiting months but maybe wait one more day to print this V.04 ? I'm about to update . We will have better snap lm8, a smaller plate_X, i hope a new system to tighten the fishing line , and some little mesh not well aligned debug.
More info tomorow or next day :)
Thank you
Yes awesome. I will wait a few days before I start printing 0.4 again. This is such an amazing printer. I even look forward for 0.5.
You maybe can make the holder for the j- head easier to print? I have trouble with this and the nose that hold the fishing line
Thank you.
I'm exactly right now working on the xend_jhead :) the mesh is a mess, so i started a new one , cleaner and better for print.
Awesome can't wait. Keep up the good work
Keep up the great work! I will definitely be following this project's progress.
Thank you arcandor :)

Now it started, we won't stop until we have the most funny and easy to assemble reprap .
Please add the print bed dimensions to your BOM.
sorry,
done.
Serge
Plesse add the 5mm threaded rod to the BOM.
Ho yes. sorry . Will be updated soon.
Wow! Development is happening so fast on this printer!
Thank you :)
I'm working on a solution more simple to build. rack and pinion is great for that.
also coming cable chain, electronic box. We are very near the result i was thinking about now.
Sounds nice,
you also couild publish a case for the three nema 17 to keep them in place on the wooden plate.
Yes, but it was a little big part to print in my opinion. And, the wooden plate should go away in a soon to come version. I'm sorry for the changes, but after testing , it looks like we can have a stable enough system with just the motors and base plate.
I mean the base plate where the controller and the nema motors are placed.
Do you have a list what you want to improve/change in the next releases?
Ho yes. i understand better. Well it's a good idea. I will try to add a base to print to make it mode easy to align. I was thinking also it could be more easy to fix a thin bottom on a plank, with simple screws and then attach all together ( base to bottom). That would prevent to need to drill two holes in the wood plank. I will give a try ...
Thank you
That's just an idea. Low priority. 3mm option is more important
Hi,

when will the 3mm filament version come out?

Maybe a version working with the mini hyena (compatible mk7 replicator)?

shop.arcol.hu/item/mini_hyena_5mm
Hi flow,
I don't when for now, but it's definitely an option I will certainly do. the change would involve plate_base ( integrated extruder), and X_end_jhead. The mini hyena and other mk7 will be worked too as option, so anyone can choose his prefered solution.
I think we go fast to a openscad-smartrarp :)
Hi,
a scad version would be nice so everybody can tinker with it.
Do you have the dimensions of the wooden base plate and the print bed?
I'm thinking "mass customization" with that too :) why not make this printer unique for anyone ? it's fun.

about the dimensions ( it will be updated in the doc, now started there : reprap.org/wiki/Smartrap_Build_Manual

base plate : 120 x 200 mm : the length depends of the controler card used. I have actually only 100x120mm cards. It owuld be smaller with a sanguinolulu.

print bed : 150 x 220 mm .

Thanks
I already found the manual you're beginning to write. But no infos about the dimensions in there yet :)

Which version of the printer lies here: github.com/smartfriendz/smartrap/tree/master/stl ?

Is it 0.5v? Subfolders are 0.4 and 0.45.
I still didn't write the dimensions there , only in the reply here :)
About the versions, i need to clean it up on github. The files on the root are V0,3, so old ones. The current and working well are V0.4 ! . Sorry about that .
thank you
Just saw reprap.org/wiki/File:All2.jpg

Your printer has a wonderfully small parts count

Keep up the g?o?o?d? awesome work!
Hey,
Thank you very much !
Let's do the "15 minutes assembly ( and unassembly) printer" :) that's the goal
I think it would actually be possible to do 8 or 10 minutes!
That is a nice challenge :) I take it !
Have you considered using Rack and Pinion Drive for the XY axes?

your system lends itself to that...

And, it would help increase the printed/non-printed ratio...
Hi eveamvid,
You're sooo right :)
It is definitely very high in the design list !! for simplicity and printed parts ratio, this solution, as Komb for the wallace (thing:173516) looked imediately perfect for this printer!

soon coming here, right after the first debugs i'm working on now.
Thank you
And for version 0.4, do you have a time estimate and BOM?
Is there a comprehensive BOM somewhere?
Hi evamvid,
This will come this week-end i think. Until now , I focused on the design and files to have something working correctly. There's always cases with different printers when it goes online :)
Thanks
I tired to put LM8UU into snap socket and it broke the socket. Maybe in 0.5v you can add option to have it screw mounted or zip tie.
Most of my printed snap sockets were breaking off, and replacing them with zip ties or screws brackets.
Ho , that's bad :( I had other feedback with this problem.

Just for infos, did you print the very last version i updated on 11/20 ? I just printed and it was very much more easy to fit in. The update was partly about that, and putting up the rods on X and Y , they where too low.

In all case, you're right, we should be able to choose how we want it attached. I will work on that for sure.
Yes, I used latest files. I can work with what I printed - I drill holes for zip ties. Maybe in future version we can have this added.
hey!

I'm in love with this printer. I find your work truly inspiring that's why I'm really proud to have been the first contributor to your indiegogo campaign :)

I'm starting to build my smartrap in south america but I'll need to know the smooth rod specs.
How long the 8mm smooth rods are? Is there anywhere where this kind of specs are listed

Keep it up!
Thank you so much :)
It really helps and gives lot of positive energy to continue this design.
Let's have the best finished and supported reprap ever :)
tu penses qu'on peux lancer les prods ou vaut mieux attendre encore un peu ?
Salut :)
Je pense qu'on peut imprimer celle la, oui. Ca tourne chez moi ( bientot les nouvelles images!) , mais je viens encore de debuguer et élargir des tailles. Les différences entre les imprimantes sont plus grandes que je pensais.
Je bosse déjà sur une version openscad avec objet test et parametrage pour chaque imprimante !
Merci
comment ca les differences entre les imprimantes ?
chaque imprimante fait des pieces un peu différentes. On a un problème par exemple avec les lm8 holders. moi ça passe et chez certains ça casse! je pense que le résultat est un peu différent chaque fois.
Nice and simple to give a try.
What length of smooth rods are best? I got set of 450mm and seems too long (and heavy).
Hi Mateusz,
Thank you :)
We have for now 90mm lost on X axis and 70mm lost on Y axis. It's too much , but i'm working on it for version 0.5. So if you want 200x200 you need 290mm rods on X axis and 270mm rods on Y axis.
what about the length for the z axis rods?
Those are more "Free" . Let's try 450mm ?
ok, i'm kidding a little. I have actually 250 mm high Z rods, but i didn't try higher.
Honestly, the worse part of this design, for now, is the stability on part over 120-150mm! On a next version, we should have a nema14 and aluminium tube to reduce the weight on Z-axis and gain stability.
How much do you have lost on the z-axis?
i see a few problems that i think you could address, 1. the bed leveling design looks to be hard to get precise adjustments, 2 personally i think it would be ideal to mount your extruder/motor assembly as close as possible to your hot end in order to help with ooze, as well as mount it high, possibly on your z axis rods? what is the print volume on this printer? overall printer looks good, good luck
Hi sicknick5,



On the photo you see, bed leveling doesn't have springs , but normally it does, so the adjustment is , for now, "standard" :) you have 4 screws to adjust the bed, simply. It's true it's not ideal, but the experience was somewhat like other printers actually .

About the extruder, it's true it need good adjustment in the slicing software, but it's realy a design desicion : I wanted to use 3 nema17 as the basis of the structure to make it stable , without much other parts. I'm happy about that , we have a solid base with only 2 plates.

For now, i could have a good result , not much ooze with slic3r and a well adjusted extruder speed.

Thank you .
Hi again. x_end_jhead.stl is still missing the holes for the rods :(
Hi nepaholic,

I don't understand, i verified here and downloaded the file, but i get the holes for the rods ? Or am i missing something ?
hi

well this is very strange. if i click on download all files i get the file without holes but if i download only the x_end_jhead.stl it have the holes
I think I understand. In the files, there a zip with V0.3 archive in it. Maybe it makes a mess with the actual version files. I should remove it.
Thank you.
hi. the x end for j-head file is missing the holes for the rods...
Hi nepaholic,
Soory for that. One boolean operation missed in that file. It's repaired now.
Wow you are very fast. Thanks for this
Now that looks impressive, what the electronics board controlling it? looking forward to following the progress, once instructions published, ill build one !
I had two megatronics at home, so this is one. Normally, i designed it to be with a small board like sanguinolulu or more modern teensylu. I'm actually designing a printed box to go with and adapt some connectors to make it more simple to plug ( for people a little afraid with those tiny connections we have now ).
Of course, it works with any controller board. we need only adapt the size of the wood plank.

Thank you . I'm already started on the documentation side. That will be the most work i think :)
I printed the base today and can't get the lm8uu inside the holders without cracking them :(
ouch ! i'm so sorry nepaholic :(
I had hard time myself to put them in . I will update larger maybe . I guess i had luck to have a pla more elastic than yours ?
It's one problem with printing, we should have always customisable models with some way to adjust holes size.
I'm really working on that hard. Eventually we will have this entire reprap customisable to adapt to each printer.
How much infill you use? I use 50% to make them more stable. Thanks for all you do. You are doing a great job for us
ha yes, 50%. I'm using 25 to 30% , maybe it's that ? . I was lucky to have them not crack i think :)
This design is still fresh new, i'm sorry for the adjustments .
Thank you for the compliments. Let's have the best reprap and most simple soon :) that's all i want .
This is really exciting. The complicated build of the Printrbot Simple, made harder by sub-par instructions, is still fresh in my mind. I didn't really understand what I was building until it came together.

I can almost see how this thing works from just the pictures.
I think Y carriage cannot use all the length - jhead holder strikes with Z bearing holder insteed of Y-bearing holder. So about 20mm non used space of Y rods.
Hi Karabas,
Thank you for your feedback. It is so true. We loose space for nothing there.
I was already working on the next version and tried to reduce the lost space, so the X and Y axis would need only 60mm extra space ( the distance between guides holders).
Maybe it will be an in between solution : more space between holders for better stability and no lost space :)
stability looks great with 60mm though.
You can jump to bushings(insteed of bearings) and save much more place and simplify design.
I admit i didn't dare to do right now. My thoughts was we would have bearing for Z axis because of forces involved and bushing for X and Y.
Why would it make more space, do you think about integrated bushing on the plate directly ?
Congratulations!

Now even more simple - and it works! I can't see any wobbling.

Fantastic, I'm thrilled.
Thank you :)
and It's only a start ! The big idea for this printer is to become the swiss knife of repraps? , the one you can disassemble and re-assemble in the same hour with different configurations , or upgrades.
I have a big list of modifs and upgrades to make it more and more simple ( and fun) , but still very well working ( even if not the most top notch printer).
What is that for a filament skrew/Hobbed bolt for the direct drive? Where can I buy it?
I have it for a long time from mendel-parts. I think it's a maritime-models brass insert . there's some infos on reprap.org there : reprap.org/wiki/Drive-gear.
salut es tu francais ? j aurai voulu savoir si je peux commencer a printer ou si le diz va encore changer ?
Aurais tu des videos de la printeuse ?
Salut jhd,
Oui je suis français. C'est vrai que j'ai plutôt mis les infos a jour en anglais pour l'instant :) Mais il y aura au moins la page reprap.org en français a jour (et correct j'espere).
Avec cette dernière version. on peut imprimer. Maintenant , les corrections seront plus petites ( pas de plateau en moins d'un coup! ).
Les vidéos arrivent aujourd'hui. C'est avec une version 0.3 modifiée (un seul plateau X).
Merci de l'intérêt en tout cas.
Is it possible to stretch the jhead of the x_end_jheadto to inside direction to be aligned with the outside of the x-end?
This would make it much more easier to print this part without need of support.
You then can turn the part 90° and print the rod holes vertical.
Very good idea ! i will align, i didn't noticed that one. I try usually to desgign with "how does it print" in mind.
You make me think also i didn't turn the different stl files to be ready to print. they are bruto out of blender.
Wow this thing is amazing. I will build one of these soon. Do you have pics about the printing quality?
Thank you :)
Just wait one or two days before printing ? It's really heavy update right now . lot of adjustments where found and i'm updating soon now .
You can see print quality of the very first version on the photos ( orange stuff) . I would call it "fair low". I think i will be far better with the following versions.
I also remind as much as i can this printer won't be the top notch quality you're ever seen :) it's not it's purpose. I try more to make the most easy to build, hack and unbuild .
I just removed the x_plate_bottom. Now we get like 8 printed parts . i'm happy .
Wow thanks for your reply. Can't wait to see the updated parts and start printing.
I thougt the original Printrbot is the simplest printer but your design is by far the funniest and boldest I saw by now ;-) I love it.

I am currently printing it and I noticed that the smooth z-rods are only guided by the holes of the base plate. How you can assure that the rods don't wobble and stay perpendicular to the base?
Or did I miss something?
Maybe one can add a plate at the bottom with holes which clasp arround the