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Treefrog

by MorenaP, published

Treefrog by MorenaP Mar 3, 2012

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Red Eyed Treefrog, so you can decorate your garden pound without the noise, or check the calibration of your printer in the most cute way!
NO Commercial use and NO Derivatives allowed. See creative commons and instructions.

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Why does thing thingiverse.com/thing:69351 have a less restrictive license, it allows commercial use and it is a derivative of your work?
I am trying to load the stl file into Repetier but it never loads. I have been able to load several other stl files from Thingiverse just fine. Has anyone else had problems with this? I can load it with Cura. It is just Repetier that is having the issue.
Woo! BLACK FRIDAY even on SHAPEWAYS!
Extra 10$ credit until Sunday Night PST! And I've also added a bunch of NEW PENDANTS!!! Check them out! shapeways.com/shops/morenap

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This was my first model for 3D printing, that I made in order to understand what are the limitation of 3D printing, and compare different printers.

It's made purely for checking out the quality of your prints and therefore for personal home use, NO Commercial, please. If you intend to display this print result on photos/video/websites, Contact me about it. Thanks!

UPDATES:
due to a number of problems related to the past models, this one should solve every issue. Also should be able to print well even with lower settings. Let me know if further modification are needed!

I am trying to load the stl file into Repetier but it never loads. I have been able to load several other stl files from Thingiverse just fine. Has anyone else had problems with this? I can load it with Cura. It is just Repetier that is having the issue.
Nov 30, 2014 - Modified Nov 30, 2014
Woo! BLACK FRIDAY even on SHAPEWAYS!
Extra 10$ credit until Sunday Night PST! And I've also added a bunch of NEW PENDANTS!!! Check them out! shapeways.com/shops/morenap
Nov 19, 2014 - Modified Nov 19, 2014
BIG NEWS!
I'm collaborating on a kickstarter campaign with the 3D sculpture of a comic character: Teeko.
2 prints available, only 5 days to go! Check it out!
kickstarter.com/projects/559623833/chirault-volume-1
over 300 makes! Thanks everybody for sharing the photos of your prints, adding settings details, testing a variety of printers and materials, helping the 3D printing community to learn from these results!
I am going crazy, I see frogs everywhere now.
See the video for Dremel selling their printer through home depot.
homedepot.com/p/Dremel-Idea-Builder-3D-Printer-3D20-01/205448581
Sep 28, 2014 - Modified Sep 28, 2014
Can I ask what is with you choosing the Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs license?
I think that means that the 6 remixes on here are in violation though IANAL. The license does say no remixes can be distributed, that seems clear enough.
And then there is commercial use here. gmaxprinter.com/
Hi Foofoodog. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for looking after me.
All the derivatives/commercial uses gets taken down, and these available are not proper remixes but just accessories to side the Treefrog print, without redistributing my model. Although the link as Remix is necessary, as it’s their only way to allow other users to find these tools (mainly resolutions platforms and a lilypad).
As of GMax, I don’t find a place where they sell my model, do you have a link to that? Thanks.
So if I take your model and scale it up to the size of a football, I can redistribute that as long as I attribute it to you? Can I print one that size and sell it on eBay. Can I sell little ones for a quarter to raise money for my scout troop?

If you look at gmax they have pictures of your frog all over their site and that site is a commercial site that is being used to sell their product. I am not sure how you don't see that as a derivative being used for commercial purposes.

I don't think you realize how onerous the license you have chosen really is, what all the implications are, but, if you don't enforce it consistently then I guess it is void anyway.
You can scale it to the size of a football (or a penny) and print it. You cannot redistribute it, because there is a No Derivatives licensing.

You cannot resell it, the model or the print of it, because the Non Commercial part of the license means you can’t sell it, or you'd be breaking the license.
You can print them, and make gift of them, but no one can make a commercial profit from them, or associate them somehow to their business.

Gmax, has 4 photos of the Treefrog, none of them have download links that are hosted on their site or another site. There are no links to purchasing the Treefrog. They never say it's Their creation. They’re indeed going to add soon the attribution with link (which is requested with any Creative Commons license).

Like other printer manufactures, They use the Treefrog to show what is 3D printing and how their printer works, as a comparison to other printers.
That's the main use of the Treefrog, testing how different printers and different materials handle the same model, and learning from these results.

For your last comment, I do follow up with people who are misusing the license. So many. It is a onerous work, unpleasant, but these misuses are way fewer than the greater amount of people happy about this model and use it properly, and supports me helping to take down these misuses. I found great collaboration in accomplishing this task (from both who made the mistake and who host the websites), and loyal people that warns me whenever they find a misuse of my model. It’s a great community after all.

I hope this helps to address your concerns. If you have any further issues with the license i have chosen, and how and what it can be used for, you can contact the folks at creativecommons.org . They are really good with answering questions about how the different types of licensing can be used.

Cheers.
Why does thing thingiverse.com/thing:69351 have a less restrictive license, it allows commercial use and it is a derivative of your work?
MakerBot Replicator 2 - PLA blue frogs - Layer thickness comparison plate
Thank you all for sharing your printing results and details on Thingiverse, this Feature celebrates all your contributions, helping the whole community to learn and improve!
For the Treefrog's fans I made some cute pendants that you can get from shapeways.com/shops/morenap?section=Treefrog+stuffs
Hope you'll like them!
I made a design for an iPhone 5 case and it made the back of the case but the sides didn't print
Does anyone know how to debug a 3D stl design file?
What is your issue exactly?
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Congratulations on getting featured. I give these to developers I work with to use for rubber duck debugging. I tell them it eats bugs.
haha Great! Also, thanks for your note!
not by you but you'll love it I do IFrog speaker by schreerdesign shapeways.com/model/462886/ifrog-gramophone.html?materialId=6 wonder if they're here It's amazing work.
Sep 21, 2014 - Modified Sep 21, 2014
MorenaP - in reply to lokilaufeysen
it's quite funny! :-D
DrwhoJohnsmith from shapeways great frog why isn't the frog on shapeways? It's so cool!
Thanks for your encouragement!
Long overdue!
Congratulations!
Yay! That was a big surprise! :-)
Thanks for your note!
At last! Congrats on the feature!
Thank you so much! :-D
Jul 31, 2014 - Modified Aug 3, 2014
Got some cool updates for the Treefrog's fans at shapeways.com/shops/morenap!
To learn the story behind it --> morenap.ca/treefrog-gadgets/
I really hope you'll all enjoy them!!!
Hi, I was printing these all weekend at the Vancouver Maker Faire to give away to kids and they were a huge hit. I just wanted to say thanks.
Thanks, see previous post, I'm a quick learner! going to do a new crank handle for the spindle moulding machine now regards,Gwyn
Great! have fun!
Yep. Just printed another in Red abs. 115 deg bed, no supports,raft, came out ok no cleaning up to do, raft just flicked off. First one must have been a one off with the leg. thanks for the model Morena,cheers gwyn.
Hi all, new to 3d printing but got to keep up with technology. Have computer designed and embroidered with Brother 650 for years. Printed this in abs (grandaughter request awhhh!) upped the bed temp. to115 deg. printed ok. on the first go with unaltered data the front left leg was a bit weak but ok.(didn't snap right off!) As we all know abs is tricky but the extra 5deg. seems to sort the legs moving off the bed. Clean the bed always just before job with acetone then isopropol. did a larger version but the left leg failed rest was good so perhaps there is a limit in abs? Kids love the little sucker so I expect they will be printing it off now and we will be infested with them.
Hi Spannerman! This model should be printing fine without support. For any problem that may occur, is a good learning curve for how to best use your printer. I find that some printer needs either a raft or a rim on the base line, to make the feet stick. Hope this help!
For those who have printed on a Replicator 2, are supports needed?
Printed on my rep 2 without supports or raft
Hi, I guess I ought to throw my two cents in here. This is one of my most favorite models to print. It is an outstanding design. As much as I like the life-size print, I much prefer the BABY frogs I can print at an 80% reduction in size on my CUBE. They really are adorable and only take 15 to 20 minutes to print. Due to their small size though, care must be taken when removing them from the glass base it is built on. I have had to invert the glass (with the frog attached) and place it on top of a totally full glass of water so it can soak over night, dissolve the glue, and release the frog. OUTSTANDING!!!
can you print this without support? i'm using a k8200 from velleman?
Did you check with the other K8200 users? In general i saw it printing fine without support. Depending by the software you use, there may be options to extend the base line, or print it slower to make it stick.
Hi! We recently featured a print of this model (originally done by Creative Tools and posted on Flickr) for a blog post we wrote comparing the differences in FFF vs. FDM 3d printing. We chose it because the picture clearly illustrates the visual difference when printing in different layer heights. I just wanted to reach out to let you know this is an awesome model and you can check it out here: supplybetter.com/blog/choosing-fff-vs-fdm.html. Cheers!
Awesome! You made very good analysis indeed, something much needed out there! Can you add an iperlink to the page of the Treefrog when you name it? Thank you! :-)
Great model and it prints perfect in 0,2 mm layers. I just finished a nine hour print and the frog came out BIG!
I'll wait to see a photo with a scale reference!
I took a picture with a matchbox beside!

thingiverse.com/make:46787
Hi, Morena P. I've tried hi-res printing (0.04-0.27mm) of your cute frog with my replicator2. Can I post pics of printing results in my blog? Thanks.
I would very much like to see those pictures. I just made one at 0.03 and doing one at 0.015 now.
Hi, in my case, 0.04 is not so successful. (Probably 55% scale down made hi-res print more difficult)
Your 0.03 and 0.015 is great news!

My blog is written in japanese so I use google translator.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ja&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frdavinch.blogspot.jp%2F2013%2F05%2Freplicator2.html
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hi Morena P. i was wondering if you could post again the older versions of your frog.
frog_45.stl
This is my absolute #1 and only calibration object!
This is fantastic! And looks Awesome!
Thanks again for a great post :)
Thought you'd be happy to know I made one of these for my friend for Christmas :)
I love the treefrog... we print loads as calibration objects. They're especially cool in glow-in-the-dark PLA. Sliced at 0.04 in NetFabb they're gorgeous.
My first attempt was using MakerWare's high quality setting.  That one, in yellow, had several imperfections in the frog's "skin".  

My second attempt used the medium quality setting and this came out far better (in orange).
I have printed this on a MakerBot Replicator and posted close-up photos here: captainbodgit.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/makerbot-replicator-print-quality-2.html

Not sure if I'm getting anywhere near the quality that you would expect.
I took a look to the photos and did a quick read to your blog posts about the Replicator's quality, all my respect for your conclusion (Would I buy a 3D printer for personal use? ...No.).

From your comments and photos: I know you can do it better, the Replicator is an excellent 3D printer that can (easily) do much better than what you show to us in your blog.

Sorry if I look rude, it's not my intention, it's just a matter of English not being my mother tongue.
 Thanks aubenc, your English is very good (as is the quality of your 3D prints). I guess I need to do some more reading to figure out what I should adjust for better quality.
 Hi Steve, I'll ask to who has a Replicator to pass some settings. In the meanwhile, my usual way to check calibration and settings for new pla, or when tweaking the printer, is to test with these: thingiverse.com/thing:22243
Testing Block for setting belt tension
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i am not able to print it in abs as the layers are not cooling fast enough making the print curl up on the edges and the hot end running into them.... i tried with .2 mm height and .35 mm nozzle...any suggestions
this new model should print smoothly, please let me know if you succeed this time!
Is it allowed to use this model on a scientific research?
you might find a way to make it jump!
I printed this at 0.05mm (50 microns) just for fun. My first attempt at a picture this size. You can see the back in my I Made One! photo, and I'm attaching a picture that shows the belly pretty well.
yes it still look quite well!

We ordered your same printer, we're going to ask you some tip soon!
My first attempt at a *print* at this size (layer height).
Super cute!! One of those designs I know immediately I must give it a print.

Thank you!!

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Btw, this has been printed by bot1334, a Cupcake CNC, with home made hot-end and DC motor extruder, my settings where 0.3 layer height, 205 Flowrate and the Feedrate set to 24. Perimeter was two shells and 0.25 infill density. These settings are most probably only valid for this cupcake.
thanks all the descriptions will be useful once we get out printer!
Thanks everybody for posting the pictures! Please, comment about the printer you used so other users can compare the quality of printers
Used a MakerBot Replicator.

I scaled up 50%, used two shells and 10% infill.
Unfortunately, one of the front legs cracked halfway through the print. I'll try again later with 3 shells and 30% infill.

Very attractive model.
I'm glad you enjoy the model.

I think we'll enjoy a lot the printer once we get it. I'm making treasure of all your comments as guidance to learn, so thanks a lot pro printing and letting me know how it goes! :)
Awesome model! The 45 deg one worked really well.

With just some minor modifications you could attach him to vertical surfaces to print, too. (like the side of a cup)
Fits nicely inside a 2x twisted bottle.
Thank you for the nice model :)

Feedback on print ability of the overhangs:

To test this I picked the Ultimaker's 'standard' quality Netfabb profile which has a 0.075mm perimeter layer height. As you can see in the picture, at this thick layer height the bottom of the legs and body are not perfectly smooth. However I think it is a more representative test for the layer heights that many home 3D printers routinely work at. I have found that often the quality of the overhang part of a print improves as the layer height decreases as long as the item is firm enough to allow thin layer printing.
Just checking if I understood, what you say is that the small layer addition I made on the base of legs and paws is actually not helping, that would be better removing it? thanks! :)
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