PL2Q Hugin
Description
youtube.com/watch?v=MtMYRgkvqsk
The PL1Q Vampire was the first. Now continuing on the mythological creatures naming-scheme here is the PL2Q Hugin. I have put a lot of thought in to this one, but i fear it will fly away one day..
Instructions
If you already have printed a PL1Q Vampire most parts should be backwards compatible at least with some modifications..
Watch my video first, i show the quadcopter:
youtube.com/watch?v=MtMYRgkvqsk
I print everything 100% filled and i use PLA, 0,3mm layer height
and i use SF35.
You need some soldering skills to use the new motor mounts. You solder the ESCs in to them..
The body should now bridge more correct, one direction is now 0,3mm over the other so it bridges one first and then on the next layer the other bridge (at least if you print using 0,3mm layer height in SF35).
If you intend to fly with a gopro camera, then choose the gopro legs, they are a bit taller and also have the battery further back to compensate for the weight of the gopro.
On the gopro mount you might need to grind the servo hole a bit to make the servo fit. Also the screw holes in the gopro mount need to be drilled a bit to make the screws fit.
Here is a list of the things i have in my PL2Q Hugin.
Most parts are Gaui 330x-s parts (my first quad)..
Main parts are
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Esc's: GE-010 10A BRUSHLESS ESC x4
Motor's: GM-410 SCORPION BRUSHLESS MOTOR 400W-KV1050 x4
Props: GAUI 330X 8 inch Props (8A & 8B)
Propadapter: GAUI 330X ADAPTOR AND SPINNER SET (FOR 3MM SHAFT) x4
Board: MWC MultiWii SE Standard Edition (Crius MultiWii SE)
Camservo: HXT900
I also have
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Battery, Rhino 3s 25c 2250mAh lipo
Imax B6 charger for the lipo (and a power supply to the charger)
Servo extension cables a bunch of them.
Linkage (music wire) between the servo and camera mount (0.8mm diameter).
2x Screw M3x25x0.5mm, and 2x M3 locking nuts for camera mount.
Black and Red silicone wire for power. I use 20AWG in arms and 16AWG to battery.
XT60 connector for battery.
JST connectors if you want to be able to remove arms.
Shrink-wrap !
Zip-ties !
Small screws for the motors.. (usually included when buying motors).
CA glue (superglue).
Lipo alarm, that warns when battery is getting low.
(completely depleting a lipo will damage it)
RC equipment i use
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Radio: Turnigy 9x with FrSky module (er9x firmware with telemetry)
Receiver: FrSky D8R-II (firmware with ppmsum out)
Using other parts then the ones listed
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If you think the parts listed are to cheap/expensive/etc then
of course you can use other parts. I would recommend that you look
at forums like rcgroups.com, multiwii.com and that you ask google.
Before ordering parts you should know what you wan't and if they will
work well together, getting it wrong can release the magic blue smoke,
and with that gone, the things will not work... Also if you do not have it already get an RC watt meter, every electrical flyer should have one !
Learn watts, amps, kV, etc.. The more you know, the more you will be able to do !
I find podcast to be a great source of information..because you can
learn a lot of stuff while doing other things, commuting, working,
walking etc..
My 3 favorite RC podcasts are:
thecrashcast.com
allthingsthatfly.com
rctodayshow.com
I listen to many more, but these three are my favorites that i follow every episode of.. great way to learn about RC stuff..
More
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I have a Ultimaker 3D printer so that is the build size i have in mind when designing, but now i think the canopy should fit smaller printers like the TOM. I will try slicing down the other parts when i get time, but if some sketchup skilled person would like to make a sliced up derivative of the parts that would be awesome !
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Thanks for sharing your build with us - just one question ..
If you could upgrade any of the components today, what would you add or replace ?
Best Regards
I do not fly 3D printed quads as much nowadays as the price for off the shelf quadframes have dropped a lot. But if i would change something it would be the gopro mount, i would change it to my new type i use in my "gopro mount and legs for dji f450".. Much better and can handle all version of gopros..
What is your flight time with your battery/rotor setup? Is it possible to sub in a bigger lipo for longer flights?
Flight time is about 15 min at best.. Larger batteries does not always mean longer flight time. Larger battery = more weight = more power consumption. You have to find the right battery size for the aircraft, for this i think it is a 3s around 2200mAh.. Also the larger battery worse it will fly.
You mention Sketchups in your youtube. Are you willing to share the Sketchups files to make for easier evolution?
On top of it, the connecting wires from the Esc are too short. Did you actually replace all these wires (power and 3 pin wires)?
in the video you showed the direct soldering of the motor to the Esc. How do you control the motor rotation direction?
If it is wrong, you have to switch 2 wires? Difficult after soldering! easy with bullet connectors.
only then it doesn't fit and you have to lead the wires outside the arms.
Hello,
Can you tell me where you bought the glassed that you use to see the camera when you fly? Or don't you see live images when you fly? I'm interested in doing it 2!
steurbautcharlie@hotmail.com
Fun project! I'm printing the canopy and the top is caving in, any advice?
Also, should I buy a Gaui 330X-S and strip it to save costs? It seems like a fully assembled kit would be cheaper to source parts. (I think though you have other, newer parts mentioned above.)
Just subscribed to your Youtube channel. Looks like a lot of fun sailing too!
Andrew
Does anyone use one of these with a GoPro, I've got my quad working amazingly now, flies like a dream. Only problem is that the video from my GoPro is all shaky. Any tips on reducing vibrations?
Keukpa
Mine flew successfully, but broke apart on a hard landing. I'm thinking ABS plastic might not be the best. I'll try PLA, see if it holds up better.
Video of the ill-fated flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
hi wanted some advice about printing the main body piece on the ToM as it is it will not fit as one piece but if i were to seperate the arm connectors and print them seperatly (at teh triangle end, so i could print the top and bottom piece and epoxy and bolt the arms into position).
i think this would work but how would i make sure the the arms would be aligned properly when it came time to put the thing together, should i add some raised blocks on teh base and top that would ensure propper locating
many thanks
dante
I can't for the life of me get the canopy printed! What 3D printer are people using? I've got a reprap prusa. And the whole thing just crumbles!
Would anyone be willing to print me 2 or 3 canopies, I would of course pay for materials and time and postage :)
I'm in the UK.
Cheers,
Keukpa
I am sure you got it done by now but for anyone else having this problem I found that it was easier to just flip the canopy 180 degrees and print it from top to bottom. You have to cut the 4 little tabs on the bottom anyways so it doesn't matter if they foul up a bit.
I've just taken my first flight with this quadcopter, LOADS of fun :)
Just a few points:
1) my quad doesn't seem to self balance, I'm using the MultiWii SE v1.9.
2) My quad seems to be very 'bouncy' doesn't keep a stable altitude at all.
Any ideas?
Many thanks!
Keukpa
Hello Swepet. I'm having difficults to find a good PID setting for my quad PL1Q. Could you please post a printscreen of your PID settings?
Tks for the nice job (=
I got the body done. I had to modify the 3D models for the arms and the GoPro legs to be able to fit on my Makerbot Thing-O-Matic's smaller build platform. It seems pretty solid so far, we'll see how well it works out in actual flight.
Would anybody be interested in those altered arm or leg models?
How do you physically fit all the connections into the motor mount piece? My ESC's BEC has a 3 port pin header housing bit that is too wide to fit into the small arm of the mount that goes to the longer arm. The spot for the ESC seems a little small for the one I got. Any close-up shots of the wiring would help.
I would like to use your quad for a school project. I do not know anyone with a 3D printer do you know anyone that could print me one of these?
thnx and very cool build!
Best * Evie
Mine had its first flight this weekend. It is going to take me a while to learn to fly it but it looks like it came together well. My first landing was upside down in the bookshelf in my living room. I
âve had a couple other âlightâ crashes and it looks like itâs holding up to it. The only problem Iâm having, other than my piloting, is that the crius lite board keeps turning off one of my motors causing the ESC to do itâs no signal beep as it comes down hard.
Nice design and fun proje
ct.
Glad to hear it came together well. I'll be putting mine together soon. I'm going to modify the gopro mount to fit my Canon Powershot, and I'm gonna see if I can add an extra servo to click the shutter button. After hearing of your issues, I will make sure to do plenty of flying to be sure it is robust before putting my not-so-rugged camera in there. However, since I'm building a body that counterbalances the battery with the camera, I'll have to put something in the camera holder of equivalent weight until I'm ready to risk having the camera itself in there. Should be fun.
Good luck and happy flying! :)
Hi swepet, could you give us an url of where to shop the current BOM online? and in Europe?
How much have you bought your setup for?
The places i shop from are hobbyking, goodluckbuy and ebay.. All my money goes to the people of china, not europe i am afraid.. For a list of parts and links look at the PL1Q thingiverse page..You can get parts from europe also i think, but for at least twice the price i would guess..
I've exhausted all my google fu and I still can't figure out how FPV and remote photography works. Is that something that is handled directly by the GoPro or is the feed/control routed through the receiver? Is it possible to easily use any camera for the task?
Hello, what you need to get live video is a, "video transmitter" that you put on the quadcopter, and then a video receiver that you have on the ground. You can use any camera that outputs composite video. Small cheap ccd security cameras works fine. I use the gorpo, it have a video out feature, it outputs composite video while it records hd-video, the video i see when flying is standard-def.. Here is a good starting guide to fpv: http://rcexplorer.se/Education...
How did you manage to fasten the motors to your motor mounts?
I bought these motors http://www.hobbyking.com/hobby...
I've done some price checking and come up with about $650 for all the vitamins this copter requires. Does that sound about right? It seemed a little high to me considering some complete copters (http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-A...
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I got everything from hobby king for like $120. But my motors don't fit right and I have to redisgn the motor mounts. That's a different story. There's a very cheap 6ch white labeled transmitter and receiver for $60 or so. 4 Motors might be around $10 each, 4 motor drivers / speed controllers around $6 each. Then a $20 lipo battery or so, wires and connectors... shipping ... Oh, if you don't have an arduino and wii motion plus, you will need those (if you're following the multiwii project, I forget what this project recommends for flight control electronics)
I included 8 props instead of 4 in that price, so I guess the cost would come to $610
Do you know the approximate lifting capacity of this machine? Could it carry a camera a little heavier than a GoPro?
I did try mine, i could lift 776g payload incl battery. But you don't want to max it out to the limit, it will reduce flight time and it will fly like a pig. But a little bit larger camera is just fine, but no heavy dsla:rs och so.. And also with other esc:s and motors you can lift more..
you could upgrade the motors and ESC's and do a good amount of lifting.
aproxamatly how much in materials does it take to make it? my school has a 3d printer i can use but i have to buy the materials. im in the U.S but i can convert it if need be. if you can email me that would be great Sergeman53@gmail.com
Can you post a picture of your electronics for the vampire. the board that you suggested did not come with instructions? I fly planes but have never flown or wired any thing like these. Im still waiting for my ESC's to come in the mail, but have the copter printed with motors mounted and ready to go. :)
Nice! I will see if i can post some videos later this week, but for now i would suggest you look at multiwii.com there you can find connection diagrams. Also you need to do upload the code to it and configure it. I will see if i can do a video about that also. But there is good information on multiwii.com.. I suggest you run the latest v2 prerelease2 code, seams to work very well for me :-)
Do you have any photos of your wiring? HOw are you running power to your ESCs separately? Do you have some kind of voltage regulator in place between the battery and the multiwii? Excuse me if these are dumb questions to people who really know RC but I just need a little pointer.
Every ESC is connected to the battery all red power wires to plus and black to minus. Every ESC have a built in voltage regulator, in rc a voltage regulator is called BEC. In the servo wire (black/red/yellow) from the ESC, it outputs 5v (red/black) usually to power servos / receiver in a plane. In the yellow wire the signal (pwm) goes from the receiver to the ESC in a plane. However when using multiple ESC:s you might need to cut the red wire in the servo wire to all except one ESC. So that there only is one BEC that supplies the power (it is plenty to feed the multiwii and receiver). Since connecting multiple BECs (voltage regulators) together in parallel can be bad depending on type, back flow can occur causing them the get hot or even fail..
at 4:53 in your video you show 2 motors and say they need to be mirrored. i cant tell the difference between them
i am looking into parts that are a little cheaper than the Gaui 330x-s replacement parts seems that you could build 2 helis with more generic parts (i understand that you already had all the electronics motors etc.) so it made perfect sense to do what you did.
do you have any suggestions for che
aper parts for this one? I am still looking around but this will be my first quad so still learning all i can about all this stuff. I haven't printed the motor mounts yet until i can figure out the motors i will get.
thanks
The parts i have listed for the PL1Q Vamprire is cheaper and i think will work just fine. It is hard to see, but on the motors, 2 of the screw-holes are closer to the center then the other two. The scorpion motors are the same but reversed, the two holes that are closer to the center on the cheap motor is further away on the scorpion.. Thats why you need to mirror the motormount if using scorpion motors, mo make the holes line up..
Hi Swep, great intriguing work you are doing!
I am new to these flying things but very interested to try!! few stupid questions:
1- is it difficult to fly or autostabilises etc..?
2- do you have a blog with full instructions a-z? or is there a place where beginners can follow step-by-step?
Many thanks!
I think a quadcopter would be a great way to start flying rc, autolevel helps a lot. I would suggest you look at different forums and get information and listen to podcast. I have links to a few in the instructions.. I might do a more video instructions video in the future if i get time to..
Also, as a comment, the previous versions top case seemd to print veryt thinly and was quite fragile. Is this the case with this top case? thank you :)
I'm completely clueless when it comes to finding out what motors I need. Is there any reason the suggested motors for this copter are more expensive that the ones suggested for the Vampire?
They are a brand name. Same reason a ferrari is more expensive then a fiat.. But they should also have higher efficiency then a cheap motor, = less electricity is wasted as heat. However if that is true and how much difference there actually is i don't know, i hope to do a comparison later since i have booth the cheap and the expensive motors...
They are a brand name. Same reason a ferrari is more expensive then a fiat.. But they should also have higher efficiency then a cheap motor, less electricity is wasted as heat. However if that is true and how much difference there actually is i don't know, i hope to do a comparison later since i have booth the cheap and the expensive motors...
The motor I currently have are these: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobby...
The major problem I did not realize is that mounting holes are on the wrong side.
this is so awesome. thanks for uploading
would it be possible to upload the arms without the big flat circle on the base?
thanks
These are fantastic. Amazing work. I'm expecting my Replicator any day now and would love to make of of these as a "long term" project but have little experience in this field.
I know it would take some time to learn everything I'd need to know, but have you ever thought of writing up step by step what needs to be done to make one of your designs from start to finish? Obviously this would be based on the parts you used.
Keep up the awesome work. Most of my parts arrived today to start building one of these. I'm going to start printing tonight!
Are any of these parts the same as PL1Q to save those printing parts 1 the hassle of reprinting? Like me heehee
Thanks!
request_PL2Q_Hugin_motormount_no_mouse.stl is now up if it was that ;-)
the arms are the same, the pl1q body and landing gears can be cut with a knife to be compatible, almost the same.. The gopro mount should fit the PL1Q, but try putting the battry as far back as possible..
also, can you upload the files without the mouse ears on the corners please? :D
Thanks for an awsome 'thing'!
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I just got all my quadcopter parts today ^^
But my carbon fiber rods have a diameter of 12 mm. Could you make the connections with the arms a bit smaller?
And if possible fill up the connection? (i don't need to put cables true it.)
I tried doing it myself, but i'm not that good in sketchup....