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Yes you're canned Obama!

by XSF1, published

Yes you're canned Obama! by XSF1 Oct 1, 2012

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Republicans Unite!
Prove that you too built this!

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This site has many items for both parties and it is absolutely fine. Arguing on this site is pointless and certainly not the purpose of thingiverse. If you like it, like it. If you dont like, it, keep your mouth shut and move on. Better yet, create your own counter design.
Let's keep it reputable here, and save politics for some other useless forum.

my 2c.
He should have to eat that if Obama wins :)
Michael I think you are right on the dot. If this Thing were just some lame political slogan extrusion that would be one thing, but it isn't. The issue, as you said in so many words, is that XSF1 is deliberately trying to start a politically-charged spam campaign on Thingiverse with this design. IMO that sort of behavior deserves harsh criticism. 

XSF1 used the "Description" section not to describe his thing, but instead as a dare to other Republicans to prove their allegiance by posting their own print of this thing. If he had succeeded with his intent and people started posting their prints right and left, it would have effectively spammed his political message across the "Who's Making What" section of the front page and beyond. 

Luckily this community (Republicans, Democrats, Aussies, purple people and even that dude Frank) is awesome and it didn't catch on. I think if there was any over-reaction by you or myself (and there very well may have been, I'm sorry if so) then our fault was in underestimating the ability of the Thingiverse community to ignore such nonsense.

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This site has many items for both parties and it is absolutely fine. Arguing on this site is pointless and certainly not the purpose of thingiverse. If you like it, like it. If you dont like, it, keep your mouth shut and move on. Better yet, create your own counter design.
Let's keep it reputable here, and save politics for some other useless forum.

my 2c.
After Occupy, I think the TOS need changing to prevent 'campaigns' ending up SPAMing Thingiverse. Like this political crap (& others - not just you).
He should have to eat that if Obama wins :)
While I generally agree with your sentiment Michael, I think it would be best if Thingiverse instead gave each user the ability to block content from other users. Or maybe even just the ability to vote things up or down, so that the visibility of each thing is determined by the community. 
Enabling self-regulation in the community would mean MBI wouldn't have to be held accountable for making the decisions about what is or is not appropriate when it comes to grey-area postings like this one. I'm pretty sure MBI would like it that way. It would also mean that junk designs, such as mindless political catch phrases, would quickly go to the bottom of the pile where they belong. That way the people who are trying to create something of value in this community wouldn't have to spend nearly as much time sifting through this sort of childish stuff.

Eric I have to agree with you regarding the vote of the community but I don't believe you would care much for that outcome either. I've received far more emails in favor of this then against it. My advice to you is to view it as a TV program you don't care for and just turn the station rather than screaming at the TV. That would be considered childish. 
I don't know how you could ever infer screaming from what I wrote. Why don't you focus on and respond to the content of my words rather than the tone that you're assigning to them? I think childish is a valid description of your thing, given that ironic catch-phrases are much more prevalent and popular on elementary school playgrounds than in productive adult discourse. If you disagree then I would love to hear your reasoning.

I'm sure there are downsides to adding community control over content visibility, but if you can't actually explain what those downsides might be (and why they would exist) then you're not worth listening to when you assert that I wouldn't care for the outcome of a more self-regulated community.  All you offer so far is a "because I say so" argument - when you have something more then I'm all ears.

The only unbaised way of measuring support for your thing is through the 'likes', 'derivatives' and 'I made one' tabs. Saying that you've received supportive emails is not a valid source of information since nobody but yourself can confirm its truthfulness. The 'downloads' count is also unreliable since you can sit there yourself and press the download button all day long to make it look like others have interest in this trash.

Seeing as how you have no 'likes', 'derivatives' or 'I made one's', your assertion that you've received a bunch of supportive emails calls into question your integrity as far as I'm concerned. Not saying you're lying, just saying that it seems fishy.

Edit: After writing the above comment people started liking this thing, so I was wrong to imply XSF1 has no support. I still believe the rest of my comment stands.
Eric,
You don't agree with my views and that makes me childish, yeah, I get that!
You're really wasting too much effort into trying to prove your point and quite frankly I am just wasting my time debating with you on this site. This is not the place for a debate. Furthermore, Nobody on Thingiverse has to justify their designs to you. This is after all an open community.

Feel free to send me an email and I'll be more than happy to debate with you. I really would like to hear what you have to say. You have the right to express your opinion.
This has nothing to do with your/my political views, me wanting justification from you, me trying to silence you, or how I spend my own time. You're deflecting... like a politician ironically enough.

What I've done is give my opinion about the childish nature of your Thing and suggest ways for Thingiverse to allow user-controlled-content so that people who don't want to see this kind of crap no longer have to waste their time with it (or at least not as much time).

My initial comment was a reply to Michael, not you, so I don't understand why you now say "I don't want a debate here" when you obviously did. It's my belief that you can't address my last comment directly because you simply don't have any good response to it, hence your deflection and attempted exit.
Tis a sad day indeed, when I have lost my rights to free speech in this Country. Thats just all the more reason to reflect back to the basics of the constitution which our fore-fathers stood for and our country was founded on. 
Which Country? Oh lets kill Assange and his kids, that country...free speech... OO ESS AH!

Others don't give a... re Rummny/Ossama

Anyway, post Occupy I was (possibly over) reacting to 'Prove that you too built this!' and the iPhone case guy, last thing Thingiverse needs is pointless campaigns. (like my no-campaigns campaign...)

You post some Thing, others post others, Thingiverse is full of crap.

EricYoung: +1
CodeCreations: you are correct. TOS (ii) that is unlawful, harassing, abusive, tortious, threatening, harmful, invasive of another's privacy, vulgar, defamatory, false, intentionally misleading, trade libelous, pornographic, sexually explicit, obscene, patently offensive, promotes racism, bigotry, hatred, or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual, promotes illegal activities or contributes to the creation of weapons, illegal materials or is otherwise objectionable;

I think by definition, politics is vulgar, intentionally misleading, obscene, patently offensive, promotes bigotry & hatred, contributes to the creation of weapons, and is otherwise objectionable.

(seems I'm evolving into an angry troll...)
Michael I think you are right on the dot. If this Thing were just some lame political slogan extrusion that would be one thing, but it isn't. The issue, as you said in so many words, is that XSF1 is deliberately trying to start a politically-charged spam campaign on Thingiverse with this design. IMO that sort of behavior deserves harsh criticism. 

XSF1 used the "Description" section not to describe his thing, but instead as a dare to other Republicans to prove their allegiance by posting their own print of this thing. If he had succeeded with his intent and people started posting their prints right and left, it would have effectively spammed his political message across the "Who's Making What" section of the front page and beyond. 

Luckily this community (Republicans, Democrats, Aussies, purple people and even that dude Frank) is awesome and it didn't catch on. I think if there was any over-reaction by you or myself (and there very well may have been, I'm sorry if so) then our fault was in underestimating the ability of the Thingiverse community to ignore such nonsense.
 ps, Nice design though...
Thanx Michael,
No hard feeling... I respect and appreciate your opinion. 
You have that Right.. ;)
cymon - in reply to XSF1
Bit of a dick way to say that, but I agree. While I hate this occupy crap and political/religious view's I don't agree with I will defend their rights of expression.
You haven't lost anything you didn't willingly give up. You don't have the same constitutional right to free speech on Thingiverse as you do in a public forum.  You can test this if you want by posting something patently offensive, hateful, abusive, pornographic, etc. 
Friend,
There is a difference between Rights & Rules!
I guarantee that I have lost no rights being on this site. I can still say anything I want without fear. I do however respect the privilege and the rules of this site to behave in such a way to not give up the benefit to share with a free-thinking, innovative community. 
After all, it's their site "They have that Right to define those rules".. And I'll respect it!
Your "tis a sad day" comment suggested to me that you felt your right to free speech would be "lost" by a change in ToS. My point was that what you say in a public forum is different from what you say here -- you have agreed to limit your speech here in a number of ways, and Thingiverse can shut you up on this site if you say something they don't like. It sounds like we agree on this.

Btw re the "say anything I want" comment, please remember that there are limitations on Constitutional free speech, too.
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