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Black Dragon

by Lodorenos, published

Black Dragon by Lodorenos Nov 3, 2012

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Fearsome and deadly, the lone dragon readies for a fierce battle!

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stl file please
I decided to post the 123D Make 3DP file. I see many of these types of objects on AutoDesk's website, an a 3DP file doesn't actually contain any copyrighted material. You have to clean it up yourself, sorry about that.
Sorry, but you're wrong. To mirror who RobTFirefly sayd, given that the item is MEANT to be sold and it's a modern product not some ancient vase from the ming dynasty, it means all parties who recreate it are bypassing the availability of its owners rights to distribution and derivatives *Thats why we have to choose to allow people to make derivatives here*.    
Just like how we cant use a custom recording device, capture audio from a song, upload it here, and re-appropriate its rights, we cant scan someones for-sale products and re-appropriate those rights to others. We cant rely on yelling Fair Use for everything we do. We may be Open Source loving makers, but we still have to follow some basic rules. Also I don't see where he says he bought the model, just that he found and took pictures of it at the shop. But 1 person buying an item doesn't negate the others who just rebuild it from a 3d scan.Lodorenos, I am sincerely sorry this debate has shown up on your post. I did not mean for it to gain this kind of attention when I made my first post :/ I hope this does not discourage you from trying to do more with 3d scanning/ photogrammatry and 3d printing.

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I added a flat bottom, so just import it, scale it to a proper size (default is quite small) and print with support.

This was created by taking 32 pictures around the model I found in a market. The images were then converted to a messy 3D model with assistance of Autodesk's 123D Catch software which I then cleaned up and repaired with Autodesk MeshMixer and NetFabb.

LEGAL STUFF: I took down the links, sorry. Apparently this could possibly be a violation of copyright. I asked my lawyer today, and he noted that it's legal (in the USA) to create the model and use it for my own or educational uses. So technically I can release it as fair use implying educational use, but I'm not going to risk it.

stl file please
I decided to post the 123D Make 3DP file. I see many of these types of objects on AutoDesk's website, an a 3DP file doesn't actually contain any copyrighted material. You have to clean it up yourself, sorry about that.


Why don't we ask for a official ruling. We know
Thingiverse has an attorney as shown be the recent “Terms of Service” Brew-Ha-Ha.
What are the Do’s and Don’t with 3D scanner and Image converters. Then we will know,
any nobody will need to speculate. After all if I print/post Yoda am I now
dealing with Disney’s lawyers?

DisneyXLucas Lawyers... oh god... we're hosed. 
Legal issues aside, its an impressive scan and clean-up job. Well done. Even if it ends up that you can't post it for download, you still get to play with it, for which I am EXTREMELY jealous ;-)
scan and cleanup job?  the only image currently available is just the photo of the original...
He removed it while we talk about whats right & whats wrong and the ways of the world n stuff
What gives, Thingiverse? You featured an item that's a copyright violation? 
If I do reverse engineering on the Replicator 2, and post stl of all parts an instructions on thingiverse, I wonder if they would feature it.

It's copyright violation, and it does Replicator 2 advertising! It's perfect!
Converting commercial art into something seems like a nono. Speaking as a commercial artist, if one of my figures was scanned and handed out for anyone to produce or sell without my say I'd be on the phone with a lawyer.
I hadn't thought about the possible legal issues related to this. I've taken down the download links while I search for legal information on the matter.

Since 3D printing in a noncommercial environment is a relatively new phenomenon, legal politics will be unclear for quite some time. This was meant more as an experiment of what various free software amd a mobile phone camera could accomplish, and not trying to take away possible income for the artist.
I'm curious about the politics of this as well. 


Everything in a museum is considered public domain so nobody owns a copyright or intellectual property rights to the item. Normally this is due to the age of the item.

In a store (like the dragon) the creator owns the intellectual property rights. Copying it would be illegal whether for personal or commercial use. If the owner does not protect their rights (sue people that break it) then they may actually lose their rights so if it's something they make a living off of (sell it) then they will always protect the rights so they don't lose them.

ME>> I create images for commercial advertising so I need to know copyright, trademarks & intellectual property rights laws.
 Just to clarify, not "everything in a museum" is considered public domain.  Ancient stuff is, but modern art which is still under copyright might also be displayed in museums.
Copyrights have their limits however. The FAIR USE part would be applied to this case. As the person who posted this originally stated, this whole model creation and printing was experimental, most likely for educational purposes. Lodorenos even bought the statue, which has not infringed on the sale of this item from the original creator by using the artwork for a model Lodorenos created. Lodorenos can freely post the 3D model without copyright infringement for people to use for their own educational purchases, as long as it does not turn into a commercial use for gain, or personal gain. What happens to downloaded copies of the 3D model is not Lodorenos responsibility.There is too many things to say about this, and not enough time on my behalf to explain. Until the day that congress outlaws the distribution of 3D models that may resemble other objects, feel free to post.
Sorry, but you're wrong. To mirror who RobTFirefly sayd, given that the item is MEANT to be sold and it's a modern product not some ancient vase from the ming dynasty, it means all parties who recreate it are bypassing the availability of its owners rights to distribution and derivatives *Thats why we have to choose to allow people to make derivatives here*.    
Just like how we cant use a custom recording device, capture audio from a song, upload it here, and re-appropriate its rights, we cant scan someones for-sale products and re-appropriate those rights to others. We cant rely on yelling Fair Use for everything we do. We may be Open Source loving makers, but we still have to follow some basic rules. Also I don't see where he says he bought the model, just that he found and took pictures of it at the shop. But 1 person buying an item doesn't negate the others who just rebuild it from a 3d scan.Lodorenos, I am sincerely sorry this debate has shown up on your post. I did not mean for it to gain this kind of attention when I made my first post :/ I hope this does not discourage you from trying to do more with 3d scanning/ photogrammatry and 3d printing.
I like that idea. Basically an Honor system. Thanks for adding to the discussion, too. I'm afraid we freaked the OP out a little bit. :)
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