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Hydrogen cell

by unknownhand, published

Hydrogen cell by unknownhand Jan 17, 2013

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I am making a HHO cell. Tinkering tinkering tinkering...

This thing was made with Tinkercad.

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Have also a look at the "Salocher-Cell"

It`s a simple dry-cell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNyOkpcWBdo#t=25
Only German !
Meyer's work is based on the premis of electrical resonance. That is, taking a tesla-like resonant circuit, and essentially replacing the capacitor with Stan's water capacitor. Input the correct frequency into the circuit and you have tens to hundreds of kilovolts that can break the (covalent) electrical bond of water, without high amp flow/draw. This is due to the circuit design and reactance of such a design. There are MANY misconceptions of his work, so do be aware of that. I have studied his work for some time. Check out my VIC designs. Good luck!
Great to see a hydrogen project on Thingiverse :)

Here just my few cents:

IMO one of the most important thing is to have a highly efficient switched power supply that can provide just the right voltage. Increasing voltage above the optimal value (for a certain sized cell) may increases volumetric output but decreases efficiency.
KOH isn't bad stuff, yes its dangerous for the eyes but envirounmentally pretty uncritical - and it doesnt get used up.

Did you know that it's entirely possible to do full H2 O2 seperation with DIY means. I deem this much safer and more useful. See here:

hho-research.com.au/
With pure Hydrogen one could do cool things like this chain:
3D-printed-windmill or solar-cells -> power electronics -> H2-O2-Electrolyseur -> Postfiltering? -> metal-hydrid-tank -> gas grill (with drink cooling by the hydride)

I once actually considered this but project price and complexity grew too much.
I dig out my results for you:

At the right places one can get suitable FeTi metalhydrides for quite cheap.
See here: (low two digit prices per kg IIRC)
http://www.h2fc-fair.com/hm07/exhibitors/treibacher.html
http://www.hypower.de/index.php/technologie/item/67-metallhydridspeicher (its german - use bablefish if necessary)
Depicted there are the "Auerstore_A_E" & "Auerstore_IHE_E"
For whatever reason they seem to have taken the descriptory *pdf files from the net.

Only the required pressureresistance of the system ~10-30bar (provided by electrolyseur required by metalhydride) makes it expensive.
High pressure house and valves could be obtained here:
http://www.aft-shop.de/ (german)

ps: As you said sadly this topic is mixed with high octane conspiracy stuff.
I personally doubt that frequencies ~20Hz can influence electrolysis efficiency for the H2O dipoles. 20Hz is many orders of magnitude below their reponse time (quasistatic). Also the electrodes don't change chemically fast enough to make a difference wether DC or AC is used.

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Made 2 small tubes to make a single cell.
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The new picture is a picture of my current cell. I am printing hydrogen1a.stl as a base and top. I will need to drill holes later so that I can keep the rods from touching the tubes. Then all I need to do is weld my ss wire to the tubes and rods.
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Ok, as per thecrazy I am going to explain how I plan on making/using this. I just uploaded the base for the new cell "hydrogen1a.stl" which fits my tubes and stainless steel rods very nicely. They are both ss 316 and are resistant to hydrolysis. To put it quite simply... if you hook a battery up to water(doesn't matter what size really so long as it is above a certain tiny voltage) it will separate the water into its 2 component parts. 2 parts hydrogen and one part water. You can actually see the tiny bubbles form on the contacts if you drop a 9 volt battery in water(not recommended). Anyways, a inventor named Stanley Meyers said that with the proper frequency of current (somewhere around 20 hertz) you could break apart water more efficiently then normal methods. Blah blah blah, lots of conspiracy theories later after he was poisoned at a restaurant and lots of people are still trying to reproduce his work. Oddly enough when some one does come forward with proof of concept or a working model something happens to them and they are gone with the wind. Please note, the main difference with SM theory was that he used pure water without electrolytes and the cell did not over heat. People these days tend to sell or make cells that use some form of salt or potassium.... one which creates a bad after effect like hydrochloric acid. Anyways, if you are interested in making a cell I would recommend doing some research and you might be interested in watching this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=cqjn3mup1So
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I am going to rethink and tinker this one. I have the items but printing it this way doesn't suit my needs.

Edit it to what scale you require. I am still scaling it to suit my needs. Still haven't added the ss wiring. I use SS 316 tubes and rods.
Have also a look at the "Salocher-Cell"

It`s a simple dry-cell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNyOkpcWBdo#t=25
Only German !
Meyer's work is based on the premis of electrical resonance. That is, taking a tesla-like resonant circuit, and essentially replacing the capacitor with Stan's water capacitor. Input the correct frequency into the circuit and you have tens to hundreds of kilovolts that can break the (covalent) electrical bond of water, without high amp flow/draw. This is due to the circuit design and reactance of such a design. There are MANY misconceptions of his work, so do be aware of that. I have studied his work for some time. Check out my VIC designs. Good luck!
Great to see a hydrogen project on Thingiverse :)

Here just my few cents:

IMO one of the most important thing is to have a highly efficient switched power supply that can provide just the right voltage. Increasing voltage above the optimal value (for a certain sized cell) may increases volumetric output but decreases efficiency.
KOH isn't bad stuff, yes its dangerous for the eyes but envirounmentally pretty uncritical - and it doesnt get used up.

Did you know that it's entirely possible to do full H2 O2 seperation with DIY means. I deem this much safer and more useful. See here:

hho-research.com.au/
With pure Hydrogen one could do cool things like this chain:
3D-printed-windmill or solar-cells -> power electronics -> H2-O2-Electrolyseur -> Postfiltering? -> metal-hydrid-tank -> gas grill (with drink cooling by the hydride)

I once actually considered this but project price and complexity grew too much.
I dig out my results for you:

At the right places one can get suitable FeTi metalhydrides for quite cheap.
See here: (low two digit prices per kg IIRC)
http://www.h2fc-fair.com/hm07/exhibitors/treibacher.html
http://www.hypower.de/index.php/technologie/item/67-metallhydridspeicher (its german - use bablefish if necessary)
Depicted there are the "Auerstore_A_E" & "Auerstore_IHE_E"
For whatever reason they seem to have taken the descriptory *pdf files from the net.

Only the required pressureresistance of the system ~10-30bar (provided by electrolyseur required by metalhydride) makes it expensive.
High pressure house and valves could be obtained here:
http://www.aft-shop.de/ (german)

ps: As you said sadly this topic is mixed with high octane conspiracy stuff.
I personally doubt that frequencies ~20Hz can influence electrolysis efficiency for the H2O dipoles. 20Hz is many orders of magnitude below their reponse time (quasistatic). Also the electrodes don't change chemically fast enough to make a difference wether DC or AC is used.
Ok, I will post more pictures of what I am working with and possible links that might help with where I plan on going with this.
Thats very interesting, could you post more info on it? Wish I could understand how to use this.
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