Recorder/English Flute

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Published on November 2, 2010
This thing was Featured on November 3, 2010

Description

This is a recorder inspired by the vintage 1984 Fisher Price Crazy Combo Horn Set.

I will probably design the rest of the components at some point.

youtube.com/watch?v=MmaUZ9Ltd3s

UPDATE: Added two piece "glue-together" body.

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Print one of each, play music.
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Nice! My little girl will love this.

I really hope you will find the time for model the other componenets.

Thank you.

They parts were tiny when I pulled them in, so I grouped all the parts together then scaled them to be sure they fit on my printer, failing to remember the scaling factor in the process.  The result is much smaller than yours.

Mine doesn't actually make any noise.  This doesn't seem to bother my 2 year old who generally tries to sing/make-horn-noises as he holds it to his mouth.

I'm greatly amused by all of the misinformed people yelling copyright violation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...
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Types of work subject to copyright

The types of work which are subject to copyright has been expanded over time. Initially only covering books, copyright law was revised in the 19th century
to include maps, charts, engravings, prints, musical compositions, dramatic works, photographs, paintings, drawings and sculptures. In the 20th century copyright was expanded to cover motion pictures, computer programs, sound recordings, choreography and architectural works.[43]
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use)=============

Anybody yelling about this should take a moment and explain "china" in this context. A country founded on the principle of wholesale copying of things.

Does a fully printed one actually play music?

Yes. Please see video in description.

Btw I can't get the mouthpiece to print. It keeps adding holes. I'll post aid later

The file is error free. Post up some pictures of your progress!

Also I'm positive there is prior art for a recorder in case of a patent suit.

Prior art? It's only been around since the dawn of time! =-O

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

I think he should be ok. The automotive Industry already has companies that replicate parts for cars and it's allowed as long as the company making em does not try to fool people into thinking at they are originals. So long as people stay away from using the original company's logos and trademarks they should be ok. Legal precedent is on his side as far as I can tell but ianal.

PrintTo3D,

The last thing I want to do is rain on your parade here, because you are definately a skilla with respect to 3d modelling, and this is a fine example of that.

What concerns me is the potential that 3d printers have for copying intellectual property. I'm all for sharing. I do it occasionally mys
elf. But I don't think it is wise to share something that doesn't belong to me without the consent of the owner.

Something that is patented as an invention, can also have a copyright. While patents last 20 years in the US, copyrights can last nearly 100 years before they are released to the publi
c domain.

What you've done here is GREAT! It really is cool to see it. But I have to ask, instead of making a copy of what someone else made, maybe you could create new pieces to go with the set? It looks to me like the flute set has some options already. For you to add even one new option wou
ld vastly improve upon it ... like maybe a pipe that was in a different musical scale (a pentatonic scale? a scale in a different key?)

I just know how pissed I would be if I had made (and lived off the proceeds of) something I created, and someone came along and duplicated it shape for shape and
offered the design free to others.

Whether other folks have done it or not is not a great argument. Other folks have also jumped off of cliffs (without protection), robbed banks, hurt people. You don't do those things I'm sure. Whether thingiverse has policed it or not doesn't make it more or le
ss a noble thing.

Again, please let me say YOU ARE AN AWESOME MODELLER - there is no doubt. And you are a giving person to be offering your designs here. And you are probably a great business person with your 3d printing service too. I'm not saying you are evil or anything lol.

I am saying that
this particular project is probably not a good example of how wonderful you are because the design didn't belong to you.

-Whystler

This doesn't violate any copy right laws because he put Print to 3D on the side of it and if it isn't already open source we are allowed to make because he exported it as one solid file not all those pieces. Patents and copy rights cover the entire object (including case and all the attatchments), here he has only displayed one "new" product/addition to this "invention" so in this case no blame can be pointed at Print to 3D. If anything he should be thanked!!!! :-D

Bedtime so I'm keeping it short.

Quote:
"Whether other folks have done it or not is not a great argument. Other folks have also jumped off of cliffs (without protection), robbed banks, hurt people. You don't do those things I'm sure. Whether thingiverse has policed it or not doesn't make it more or less a noble thing. "

I did n
ot use that statement in my post as an excuse/argument. My point was that out of all the "copied" things on here it seems MINE are the only ones that people seem to make a stink about. I certainly don't mind, because it's all food for thought.

Again I will repeat that this is a vintage product an
d long off store shelves. It was also made in the USA which you don't see anymore! :-(

Sure lots of new pieces could be made to go with this set if I knew anything about making music! ;) You could also probably even play with the hole sizes, but I'm not sure how that changes the sound.

Bedtime!

I don't think that copying this design is philosophically a problem for the community. This site was created by and frequented by those who create and fix. The way I see it (and I am not a lawyer) is that this is akin to reproducing a replacement part. There are many, many examples on this site of commercially made and designed parts that have been reproduced. Often this is done to fix or augment the functionality of something that would be otherwise be discarded when a small part of it inevitably breaks. One could argue that he is creating a copy of this "vintage" toy so that he can he or others can play with it without the worry of breaking the original. More likely, he recreated it to demonstrate his cad abilities and the capabilities of his commercial 3D printers. His license also indicates that it is for non-commercial use only. I don't think the debate should be about whether he blatantly copied a commercial product and how it may be detrimental to the OS 3D community but, what are the rules for copyright and trademark that I might inadvertently run afoul of. I have listened to Adrian Bower's talks about where the laws stand in Europe, but unfortunately I still don't know how it differs from American law. If there is a good resource for learning about copyrights and trademarks and how it deals with our community (especially in America) I would be very appreciative.

As an aside, when I watched the video I found it interesting that the timbre of the recreated flute differs from the original.

I disagree with this, this is a blatant copy of a commercial product, and is probably violating some type of copyright laws. Personally I think this thing, is bringing down the whole open source 3d printing community.

This was not created by you it was created by fisher price.

You disagree? The mini Fig on here is a blatant copy of Lego's product. Do you have a problem with that? My point is there are LOTS of designs on here that have been "reproduced" from company's products. Are some of them violating laws? Probably without a doubt! This design and others of mine are not violating any laws to the best of my knowledge.

This product is vintage and the parts are from 1984. A patent last's 25 years.

If you are going to disagree you should provide factual information as to why and how this design is violating a law.

This design has been featured along with many of my other designs, If Thingiverse had any reason
to believe it was in violation of ANYTHING they would not have featured it or kept it on this website.

If you want to... I suggest you review a large number of parts on here and see which ones were "copied" from products. You will need a very large piece of paper to write them all down.

Here is
a start:
Hamster Figurine by smwombat
Untitled by TheRat (Ford Mustang)
Tarp Clip 2 by aylr
Battery cover for wireless keyboard by jvdh

This really excites me for a number of reasons:

-I love instruments
-I've got a couple designs on the back burner for 3d printing so it's awesome seeing others working on them too
-I'm just plain impressed at how accurate your design is to even fit with the original. You are really good at 3d design. Nice work!

And now for the worrisome bit.
..

Does it worry you that you so closely copied and now offer for free download, a design that is likely copyrighted ... even patented?

-Whystler

Could you split the body into 2? So people with smaller printers can print it?

Done. Will that work for you?

is that desktop factory in the background of your profile pic? I saw one of the machines in person once at the wired nextfest a few years back. it froze at layer 100-somethig. as in, i come by, its on that layer, come back three hours later, and its still at that layer. :P

Yes I went to their shop before 3D Systems bought them and placed them on the shelf...

I have a rare sample as well. This is my iPhone case design they printed and used on their website:

seems like you have a lot of times on your hands.

Are you suggesting I make a clock next? :-) This only took probably two hours at most to design, but 10 or so to print (while I was sleeping) :-)