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Marker holder (for colouring feedstock)

by theorbtwo, published

Marker holder (for colouring feedstock) by theorbtwo Jan 13, 2011

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Description

We bought lots of white ABS with our shapercube.. Lots. But who wants to print everything in white? After a while that got a bit.. samey. So, an experiment, jam a coloured marker in the feedstock inlet and see what happens. What happened was, coloured prints came out. So the idea for the marker organ was born, a way to attached several coloured markers to the feedstock, and pick which one, or combination, is colouring the plastic.

This is the first attempt, a simple clamp over the feedstock which holds a single marker against it.

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It is fantastic way to clog the nozzle
I didn't even see this, but we had the same idea. Mine holds 4 markers so you get really good coverage and color tone.

thingiverse.com/thing:77424
I thought it was the other way? CMYK+W mixing allows you to create green, but RGB mixing in the physical (vs light) would not give you yellow.

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Instructions

Note: Please don't get discouraged by the wall of text. It's not that hard, I just wanted to document it fully!

Instructions:

Becuase there's no de-facto standard for the shape of markers, you'll have to measure your marker and change the openscad model to fit. Don't worry, it's pretty easy. If you want to be lazy, you can just get the exact markers I used for this.

You can also change the size of the hardware you'll use to put it together. Since it's currently set up for M6 bolts with square nuts (because I had lots of them on hand), and because you need to modify for marker size anyway, this is probably a good idea.

If you want to get the same markers I'm using, they appear to be http://www.staples.co.uk/office-supplies/writing-correction/writing-instruments/markers/permanent-markers/staples-permanent-and-dry-proof-markers/permanent-markers-4-pack-assorted . Oddly, this doesn't match the number on the packaging, which says "item #11090".

Open the .scad file in your favorite text editor. First, the bolt size: change the line that says "bolt_dia = 6;" to list the diameter of your bolts, in mm. (Don't add an extra bit for clearance; you want one of the bolts to cut it's own thread as you put it in.) Make sure you haven't accidentally removed the semicolon on the end of the line.

Measure the diameter of the part of the pen that you want to grip (just above the actual tip), in milimeters and put it in where it says "pen_holder_bottom_id = 8.5;". As above, make sure you don't delete the semicolon. You want this to be a tight fit, but not so tight that you can't get the marker in at all. If you get it wrong the first time, you can always print another one.

Next, measure the length of the part of the pen that you want to grip -- the part that is no wider then the pen_holder_bottom_id. You should include space for the tip of the marker in this measurement as well. Err on the side of making it shorter then neccessary -- it needs to be long enough to get a good grip, but not so long as to keep the tip from actually touching the feedstock.

Next, run openscad. Do a file/open to get your file, then design/compile and render. (It's normal for that to take several seconds.) Then design/export as stl, and do whatever you'd normally do to print an STL file.

Usage:

Clamp the two parts together with bolts, with your feedstock running through the middle. Insert your marker and clamp it in using a bolt through the side hole. Print something!

It is fantastic way to clog the nozzle
I didn't even see this, but we had the same idea. Mine holds 4 markers so you get really good coverage and color tone.

thingiverse.com/thing:77424
Filament Colorizer - Sharpie edition
by ramai
Great - Good innovating. Thanks!
I've used Dry erase markers manually and no clog after a long time of printing. Works well.
This is really great but can anybody attest to their printhead being ok after a long run of this process? There must be a chemical reaction with the filament when two types of thing are being heated like this - there must also be a stable dye that doesn't change the abs properties too much?
ssd - in reply to hexitex
I've used shapries to color my parts from very early on...you can look at the pics I've posted in thingiverse...everything of mine not blue or red or black is sharpie colored.

Some inks do not dissolve well in the plastic. Sharpie ink in general works. All inks will saturate in the plastic, and left over ink accumulates at the top of the heated nozzle; if you stop coloring it, eventually the excess ink gets used up. If you want a quick color change, either avoid satur
ation, or back out the filament to remove the excess.

Some ink burns. The only way to tell is lack of colored filament, or strange colored, and no excess at the top of the nozzle...

I can't speak for dye changing the ABS properties, I haven't tested the resultant parts, and didn't notice any larg
e changes.
This is spectacular!

Any further thoughts on longterm implications for the print head? reccomended marker types that don't clog it up, or gas off too much? I would love to start experimenting with this, but don't want to damage my nozel (cash is tight these days, don't want to have to replace it lol).
Great idea!!!

Just to give readers some more ideas, check this blog entry out also:
http://blog.reprap.org/2010/06/inkjet-reprap.html
Hi,

very useful your tool! Do you have experience with different markers? I used some markers that blocked my nozzle (0.5 mm , Rapman) with black dirt after printing about houndred gramms of filament coloured with cheap permanent markers. I was not sure if the reason is the ink or the felt from the markers top? Tested also a "felt-remover" and nozzle blocked again. Any prefered Marker?

cheers

Kaipa
I'd love to print this after I'm assured it will not ruin my nozzle.
Awesome! It schould be a snap to add a second pen on the opposite side.

I'll try this with a copic marker, which has a wide tip and put a hole in it to paint the whole spagetthi
This concept is really cool. I love it. My questions is what are the long-term health on my nozzle?

Is there any concern about residue build-up or deterioration of the nozzle's performance? Any down side to adding this type of coloring?

I hope not because such a simple way to expand the printer's color pallette is fantastic. 8-)
I colored some short sections of white filament with a red sharpie and got smoke wafting out of the extruder but no color. If I buy a different brand will that change the outcome?
Mechanic of the Ink Spiral:

One motor rotating a gear with 4 pens attached radially. A speed controller for the motor.
4 electromagnets to switch the pens CMYK ON/OFF.
Comments?
Gil - in reply to Guest
CMYK does not work like that. Mixing the paints would result in brown sludge.
I thought it was the other way? CMYK+W mixing allows you to create green, but RGB mixing in the physical (vs light) would not give you yellow.
Seems hard to predict when a color would reach the nozzle.
Would be no problem with adapted software. A print calibration can do the work. Just like 2D printing in paper. A 3D print of a thin quadrangular shape will do the work. Switching individual colors in a predefined filament length then measuring the printed height distance of each one can do the job.
Had to sign in to give props. This is a great idea.
Excellent idea! Already thinking how to do it in a Dimension printer! Will try it.

A good concept to better fill the ABS with ink would be with 4 spirals around the filament.

Have no idea of how could be the mechanic of this, but should be similar to cable construction.

Large spiral means less ink, tighten spirals more ink, then you can just on/off the pen contact with filament. :)
Waaaaaay back before I really had any experience with any real printers, I wondered why someone didn't create a Y-shaped nozzle that fed in ink or dye of some kind to color plastic.. Then I realized that plastic would back-out/escape through the dye side of the Y. Plus, my experience with switching from black ABS to natural ABS (and the long time between before it worked through the nozzle) discouraged the idea also.

I'm glad to see that die just on the outside edge of feedstock is enough to color the plastic! Any chance that we could see pictures of what some of the prints look like?

How long have you had to run the extruder when switching pens before the new color flushes away any remnants of the old?
ssd - in reply to jkeegan
Examples:

thingiverse.com/derivative:1717

thingiverse.com/derivative:1763

thingiverse.com/derivative:2236

thingiverse.com/derivative:1514

If I oversaturate the color, it might take 4-8 minutes to flush it (I usually build something small that I don't mind having strange colors). However, if you back out the filament and clip off about a cm, then it flushes much faster.
This is excellent and now i am imagining things you can build and the colours to use :)
word of warning... Sharpie is stinky! :-E
Haha, what's molten ABS then?
I was using it with clear PLA so I could get a translucent smoky grey color. The stink is sharper (heh, sharpie) more skunk-like than plastic like. I'm guessing it matters on what marker you use.
It would be awesome if someone would do something like this with multiple markers of different colors, each marker activated by solenoids connected to the controller that can turn on/off each color via a gcode. :)
...and then code could be written that between color switches, the head would move to the purge area, the pens could be switched (like you say, just pull one back in its place and push another forward - it doesn't matter that one's further ahead than the other along the filament, as long as only one is touching), the extruder could purge enough plastic to flush out any mix of colors, then the head could move back to where that color should be printed on this layer..
Just noticed the phrase "marker organ" in the original description.. Maybe that was already the intention? (depends if you meant organ like a musical organ - evoking the image of a key pressing a pipe, or if you meant a biological organ, in which case not),
My eventual intention is, indeed, to have multiple markers, with electronic control -- all stacked together looking like a musical organ. I was thinking of allowing the natural progression of color, though -- explicit purges weren't an idea in my head until the IRC conversation today.

As far as multiple markers at once goes, since each one only colors part of the surface of the filiment, you can easily have more then one at once, just rotate them slightly. I was hoping that with cyan, yellow, magenta, and black markers against white plastic, you should be able to make arbitrary colors.
I was already brainstorming along those lines before I scrolled down.

Instead of an organ, why not make it as a plane? With CYMK in a circle, that's 4 markers in a sort of plus sign.

Any ideas on automatic actuation? I'd hate to have to figure out how to wire up 4 steppers to an EC... maybe it needs its own daughterboard similar to an EC...

I imagine with some
mini steppers you could print it as a single plate
Wow, great stuff! I like the CYMK in a plus sign. I don't think steppers are the answer we're looking for, just something simple for linear movement. I'm thinking in the lines of activating and deactivating of an electromagnet. I don't have much experience with G-code, but it shouldnt be too difficult to integrate this.

Being able to colour your components is cool, but I think the real value would be to add colour detail, e.g. a model car wheel with black for the rubber. To be able to do this we need to be able to control the placement of colors. One problem is: how do you add color without compromising your buil
d height? Could we use this principle on a bowden extruder too? I'm actually thinking, what if we could add the colour somewhere down the line of a bowden cable. This should give us good control of where we add the colour.

We can make up for the distance from the extruder by adding the colour at a
certain number of steps before the material is deposited.

Ahh this is exciting. If I'd have my extruder ready I'd already be playing with colours :P
inventables.com/ sells pure pigments.
Actually the sell both regular pigments and spectrum prismatic pigments, and a whole lot of other cool ones.

In fact I'm waiting on them to restock their Aerogel cloth samples, as aerogel is the most efficient insulator in the world, and that would surely help my bot.
So for the non-liquid method it would have to be something that extremely slowly but variably fed the pigment in with the filament, hmm...

That would be more effective than pens, but less fun. Also you could get some really overly cool pigments.
I thought of doing this color control thing awhile ago so you could do fully colored prints by having the gcode color the filament. But I decided not to pursue it because 1 it would require a huge infrastructure change to support textured stls, 2 it would be a lot of work get the timing right of when it would do what color so it colored the correct place in the model, and 3 the ink would probably burn and smell over time and it probably wouldn't allow for sharp color changes.

I thought of this awhile ago and more recently some people were discussing it on the google group: groups.google.com/group/makerbot/browse_thread/thread/ebe3eeb83a2d304f/2bc4ee8543624033?lnk=gst
&
amp;q=color+ink+control
AWESOME DUDE!!!!!

You are a genius!!

I LIKE!! 8-) :-D =-X

This i s great work

still smiling :-D
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