Black Dragon

by Lodorenos, published

Black Dragon by Lodorenos Nov 3, 2012

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Fearsome and deadly, the lone dragon readies for a fierce battle!


I added a flat bottom, so just import it, scale it to a proper size (default is quite small) and print with support.

This was created by taking 32 pictures around the model I found in a market. The images were then converted to a messy 3D model with assistance of Autodesk's 123D Catch software which I then cleaned up and repaired with Autodesk MeshMixer and NetFabb.

LEGAL STUFF: I took down the links, sorry. Apparently this could possibly be a violation of copyright. I asked my lawyer today, and he noted that it's legal (in the USA) to create the model and use it for my own or educational uses. So technically I can release it as fair use implying educational use, but I'm not going to risk it.

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I would remove this entire page. Everyone acts like its fine to steal from an artists work. I literally had someone go into my dorm room (while I was gone left it unlocked) and downloaded a dragon + other CAD files I spent dozens of hours working on off my computer. Then they proceeded to print these (which they got printed for free), and then griped when I requested my intellectual property back (they also stole my flash drive out of my desk to put those files on).

Its like people don't consider days worth of digital work to be worth a penny, and now people complain they can't steal from an un-credited artist? Painting a house takes less time and work, but nobody would expect that to be done for free... Stop being thieves people!

The real file was removed. Thingiverse, please wake up and remove this whole "Thing".

I'm sorry the files I posted are difficult to use. There's plenty of converters and tools online, I cleaned it up in about 20 minutes. Perhaps appreciate the free things in life, even if your knowledge falls short. :)

Maybe I misunderstood. I downloaded MeshMagic by NCH Software just to use this file as well as SPIN 3D Mesh converter. Both programs show the file as corrupt/unusable. Spin Converter says "Read Failed" and Mesh Magic says file "can not be opened" and "there was an error opening the file". Both programs are compatible with .3dp files. I assumed based on a few other comments that another file had been removed by you. Especially looking at the size of the file (4 kb). I appreciate your willingness to share the 20 minutes to clean up the file, but with so many people interested in the dragon, why not make an STL file so everyone can enjoy it? If not, could you try downloading the file they have here and see if it is corrupt as Mesh magic is saying it is? perhaps your original file was corrupted in the upload? I do appreciate thingiverse, and other free things in life. I would be happy to do the work and repost it if my converter would open the file. Then others could enjoy this free thing as well. :-)

Fucking what? Why is this page even here?

To download, obviously.

I explained my reasoning in the description.

I really wanted to print this- but I can understand why you wouldn't want to be sued lol

Read some of the comment- people don't have to be mean. Shesh

Great picture but not in STL and the poor quality, a shame

If you don't know how to convert an stl file, you shouldn't be printing stuff. sorry.

If yo do not know how to be civil then you should not be engaging people.... At all... Ever. Not sorry.

TIPI I convert files to stl. on 3D Builder.

I decided to post the 123D Make 3DP file. I see many of these types of objects on AutoDesk's website, an a 3DP file doesn't actually contain any copyrighted material. You have to clean it up yourself, sorry about that.

Why don't we ask for a official ruling. We know
Thingiverse has an attorney as shown be the recent “Terms of Service” Brew-Ha-Ha.
What are the Do’s and Don’t with 3D scanner and Image converters. Then we will know,
any nobody will need to speculate. After all if I print/post Yoda am I now
dealing with Disney’s lawyers?

DisneyXLucas Lawyers... oh god... we're hosed. 

Legal issues aside, its an impressive scan and clean-up job. Well done. Even if it ends up that you can't post it for download, you still get to play with it, for which I am EXTREMELY jealous ;-)

scan and cleanup job?  the only image currently available is just the photo of the original...

He removed it while we talk about whats right & whats wrong and the ways of the world n stuff

What gives, Thingiverse? You featured an item that's a copyright violation? 

If I do reverse engineering on the Replicator 2, and post stl of all parts an instructions on thingiverse, I wonder if they would feature it.

It's copyright violation, and it does Replicator 2 advertising! It's perfect!

Converting commercial art into something seems like a nono. Speaking as a commercial artist, if one of my figures was scanned and handed out for anyone to produce or sell without my say I'd be on the phone with a lawyer.

I hadn't thought about the possible legal issues related to this. I've taken down the download links while I search for legal information on the matter.

Since 3D printing in a noncommercial environment is a relatively new phenomenon, legal politics will be unclear for quite some time. This was meant more as an experiment of what various free software amd a mobile phone camera could accomplish, and not trying to take away possible income for the artist.

I'm curious about the politics of this as well. 

Everything in a museum is considered public domain so nobody owns a copyright or intellectual property rights to the item. Normally this is due to the age of the item.

In a store (like the dragon) the creator owns the intellectual property rights. Copying it would be illegal whether for personal or commercial use. If the owner does not protect their rights (sue people that break it) then they may actually lose their rights so if it's something they make a living off of (sell it) then they will always protect the rights so they don't lose them.

ME>> I create images for commercial advertising so I need to know copyright, trademarks & intellectual property rights laws.

 Just to clarify, not "everything in a museum" is considered public domain.  Ancient stuff is, but modern art which is still under copyright might also be displayed in museums.

Copyrights have their limits however. The FAIR USE part would be applied to this case. As the person who posted this originally stated, this whole model creation and printing was experimental, most likely for educational purposes. Lodorenos even bought the statue, which has not infringed on the sale of this item from the original creator by using the artwork for a model Lodorenos created. Lodorenos can freely post the 3D model without copyright infringement for people to use for their own educational purchases, as long as it does not turn into a commercial use for gain, or personal gain. What happens to downloaded copies of the 3D model is not Lodorenos responsibility.There is too many things to say about this, and not enough time on my behalf to explain. Until the day that congress outlaws the distribution of 3D models that may resemble other objects, feel free to post.

Finally , someone who knows what they are talking about.
Well said Japica !

Sorry, but you're wrong. To mirror who RobTFirefly sayd, given that the item is MEANT to be sold and it's a modern product not some ancient vase from the ming dynasty, it means all parties who recreate it are bypassing the availability of its owners rights to distribution and derivatives Thats why we have to choose to allow people to make derivatives here.    
Just like how we cant use a custom recording device, capture audio from a song, upload it here, and re-appropriate its rights, we cant scan someones for-sale products and re-appropriate those rights to others. We cant rely on yelling Fair Use for everything we do. We may be Open Source loving makers, but we still have to follow some basic rules. Also I don't see where he says he bought the model, just that he found and took pictures of it at the shop. But 1 person buying an item doesn't negate the others who just rebuild it from a 3d scan.Lodorenos, I am sincerely sorry this debate has shown up on your post. I did not mean for it to gain this kind of attention when I made my first post :/ I hope this does not discourage you from trying to do more with 3d scanning/ photogrammatry and 3d printing.

I like that idea. Basically an Honor system. Thanks for adding to the discussion, too. I'm afraid we freaked the OP out a little bit. :)