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Hero Me Gen3 for E3D V6 Volcano CR-10, Ender 3/Pro Ender 5

by mediaman Jan 20, 2019
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I know you're visual - I have the new 4010 blower fan that comes stock on the ender 3 pro (and apparently ender 3) now. It has smaller screws than the screwholes and as you cna see from the picture - the new fan is solid to the back in the screw holes. I did some editing in tinkercad but I just can't get it right. I know you cant't export to fusion 360 as anything but an STL file (if you could I could probably fix it). I'm hoping you have the time and energy to make yet another iteration for the new blower fan style. I remain amazed at your skill in tinker cad as well, I'd have to use fushion 360 or blender to make anything as complex as your designs! You've made an amazing thing here

Thanks for the great designs, however, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to figure out what i'm supposed to be printing for using dual 5010 fans and a volcano hotend on an ender 3.

Hi. Thanks for the multiple designs and continuous improvement.

Is there a chart or table available to better understand which parts:
A) Go with specific printers
B) Go with specific accessories (e.g., no auto bed-level, EZABL, BL Touch, various fans, etc)
C) Are compatible between Generations
D) Are preferred combinations of components (vs compatible)

It's a great enhancement, but I'm struggling to understand the correct mix of STLs to print for my machine.
FYI, mine is a stock Ender 3 Pro to which I am about to add a 12mm EZABL bed leveler. I would also like to convert to dual 5015 fans.

i love the desing, its very good, can you please make a version for Anet E10??? please!! the carriage its quiet similar but whit one diference in the holes and space for the hotend

August 26th 2019 - SORRY EVERYONE! I was away in Europe on my honeymoon for 3 weeks and work has been very busy the past couple weeks since my return. I am now catching up on the hundreds of comments and requests to this any my other Hero Me makes here on Thingiverse. Please bear with me while I get back up to speed. - Mediaman

@mediaman Hi
First of all let me thank you for the effort you make for the 3D printing community. It is an honor that there are people like you with the will to help others by sharing their knowledge.

I want to change the hotend stock to my ender 3. I have the E3D V6 and the 5015 fan but I honestly don't know which parts I have to print to be able to install.

Does the Hero Me Gen3 for E3D V6 Volcano work for me or is there a difference between the E3D V6 and the E3D Volcano?

someone knows the offset to centered the nozzle. they put the offset to the probe but no the new location of the nozzle

I printed off the "gen3 base" parts and the "gen3 lightweight dual 5015 fan mounts". The fan duct mounting holes on the base are sized for m3 screws, while the slots in the fan ducts are sized for m2 screws. I had to glue my ducts into place. Just wanted to let you know!

I wanted to post my progress so far. With a glass bed the bltouch being so far left is not a big deal. I was worried about the cooling fan pointing right at sock but so far its ok. I have not done any complex prints yet with overhangs so I will report back when I do.
Overall a few of these parts need to be reworked. I will wait to do my other Ender 5 until these parts are a better fit. I am not good with CAD so I will have to wait for someone to do it.

Well if you make more than one or two edits the damn thing flags for moderation. I can't figure that out but anyway I'll try this again.
I've been working with this for a little bit yesterday and it just doesn't look like the bltouch is going to work on the Ender 5 at least in the configuration that it's listed here the problem is my bltouch is about 44 mm to the left of the nozzle and with the cube design the x-axis end stop is on the right side of the bed but because of the mechanics of it you can't over probe the bed to be able to get the entire bed like you can do with a CR 10s or cr-10s Pro.
With the regular Cartesian design it allows you to extend the probe area so your nozzle hangs off the bed allowing your probe to be able to probe the very right side of the bed with the cube design that doesn't happen so with my machine and the ducts that I'm using the hero me the bltouch mount it only can probe about 50 mm to the left side of the right side of the bed which means the entire 50 mm on the right side of the bed is not being probed and will not be meshed for inconsistencies and it just so happens that area of the bed on my machine has inconsistencies but where the probe actually can probe at that 50 mm point the bed is fairly flat so I can't even make adjustments to the bed itself because where the probe actually probes it thinks that the bed is fairly flat and if I try to make adjustments it's just going to compensate for that and continue 2 allow the inconsistency on the right side of the bed.
For me it looks like this bltouch is a loser now I don't know if there's anybody out there that has any kind of suggestions on how this can be achieved I mean basically that bltouch is going to have to be moved a lot closer to the nozzle now you can't do that with the large fan duct there and you can't put it on the right side of the nozzle because you have the actual 5015 fan since I'm using a single fan version you can't put the mount for the bltouch on the right side so I have no clue how this can be corrected for me I'd be much better on going back to the stock level we're it probes the four corners of the bed because I had no problem printing that way it's just a real pain I like to use a bltouch I have them on my other machines but I'm not an engineer and I just do not see how this can be made to work unless you just leave it the way it is and don't probe that 50 mm of the right side of the bed so I guess if you have a perfectly flat bed you'll be okay but not many people do I kind of like this magnet bed release but I guess I'll end up having to go with glass if I want to continue to use the bltouch so I'm not sure what I'm going to do and I was hoping that somebody out there might make a suggestion

Well I've been working with this for just a little bit and I found that the bltouch mount which mine is about 44 mm to the left of the nozzle is too far because of the design of the Ender 5 being a cube and the x-axis end stop is on the right side you cannot extend the probe area where the nozzle hangs off the bed to be able to probe that right side of the bed like you do on the CR 10s and CR10s Pros.
You're able to extend the probe area off the right side of the bed with the nozzle so your probe can actually probe the bed but with the cube you can't do that.
I am not a firmware person so I'm not sure if there's something in firmware that can be done but it looks like it's the mechanics of it that is not going to allow that so my guess is not sure how the touch is going to work on the Ender 5 because with the fan duct you can't move it really any closer to the nozzle and because of the fan on the right side you can't put it on that side.
I'm not sure how this all shakes out but right now it looks to me that I'm going to have to eliminate the bltouch on the Ender 5 which it's really quite saddening cuz I have them on my other machines but it's just the mechanics of it that I cannot see any other way because it just so happens that the right side of my bed it's not perfect and the probe it can only probe about 50 mm in from the right side of the bed and within that 50 mm I have some inconsistencies in my bed but where the probe actually hits the bed is fairly flat so the probe cannot take up for the inconsistencies on the right side of the bed because it's not probing it and you cannot make up the difference by adjusting the bed because where the probe does probe at that 50 mm Mark the bed is fairly flat.
If I try to adjust the actual bed itself it's not going to matter because the probe is going to keep on compensating for that adjustment because it thinks the bed is flat so for me this is a loser and I really would love to find a way to be able to get this to work so if anybody out there has any other suggestions let me know and let the fella here know who made the system because for the Ender 5 it just doesn't seem like it's a very good deal

I fixed the bltouch holder. I removed half of the base thickness which gives me 3-4mm of clearance when the nozzle is touching the bed. My bltouch needs 8.3mm to the spot on the sensor where the pin comes out to the nozzle tip. This will work. If you can fix the duct i will be good with this one.

I am sorry I do not explain things very well. In these pics you will see the BLTouch when adjusted as far away from the bed the mount allows its still 3-5mm below the nozzle. Look at the other pic you will see the red area that is what I was talking about if you make that area smaller where the bltouch mounts it will give enough room to adjust. Maybe half it.
The yellow area you will see the belt mount is bent towards the left because the mount is too close even after I removed a ton of material. Its too much and caused the mount to bend and move.
Look at the other pic and you will see I circled the slot in yellow. After I removed all the material this slot was all that was left supporting the mount. I filled the slot with CA glue to strengthen the mount but then I had to remove the wall (raised edge) on the base plate (that is why you have this slot) so the wall (raised edge) can fit into it. I was forced to remove the wall (raised edge) so the mount would again be flush with the assembly.
Look at the blue circle that it where I had to remove all the material and still the belt mount was not clear of it.
I really do not know how much more I can explain. Its the best I can do.
At the least if you thin out the mount base where the bltouch bolts to it (the large red mark) that will fix my issue for now so I can get this working. Certainly not right not the way I want to do the other Ender 5.
I appreciate all your hard work but maybe I can suggest something maybe notify potential users if you have made parts without having any knowledge if they will actually work. Maybe stick to parts you have tested so others will know it works. In my case I ruined the stock parts to make a better install for this system and now I am forced to use this mixed bag of half fixes.
I am not criticizing you at all. I wish I had your skills with design and CAD. I am CAD deficient. But personally I would never put parts out that I could not assure to others they would work. Thats just me.
I am willing to help you get it right. When I start my other Ender 5 I will help in any way I can so you can get it right. For now if you could just remix the bltouch mount (where it bolts to it) (red area) so I can get this working I would be in your debt.
thanks
I want to be sure you understand the area I drew in red was just showing location. I need the whole base of that mount where the bltouch bolts to it. Basically shave it down by half. I think you would still have enough strength. The focus here is to gain enough room so I can move the bltouch AWAY from the bed so I can adjust it according to nozzle height. Right now with the mount as far up as it will go the bltouch still is 3-5mm BELOW the nozzle.
I keep forgetting the duct, the air is directed at the sock when its adjusted the proper distance above the nozzle. Dropping the duct results it to be Lower than the nozzle. I gather the shape of the air ducts will need to be changed. Only way I can see to fix it. Look at the pic where I show the probe to be lower than the nozzle. You can see the duct in that one.
Thanks for your help.

Hi Well as I said the area at the belt retainer is a big issue. What I did just to get this to work was chop off a bunch of material on the BLTouch mount. The only support left is the small slot on the back of the mount that slides over the raised wall on the backplate. Because of that the mount had no integrity so I needed to do something. What I did was to fill the slot with gap filling CA glue and then I had to cut off the portion of the raised wall on the backplate so it will fit . When I installed it I had to push the belt retainer to the left literally bend it until the assembly was installed and then I let it go. It does not affect anything except its bent to the left and actually has tightened the belt. That I can fix.
I was able to get the screws on the right side in without the lock like I said.
I thought I had it until I went to adjust the BLTouch to get the proper distance to the bed. At the very highest setting its closer to the bed than the nozzle. I thought maybe I could lengthen the slot but its not possible. Its down as far as it can go.
My suggestion if you could thin out the base of the mount where the sensor actually bolts to may get enough adjustment. I am guessing it would need at least 3mm maybe more. That will raise the sensor which should allow for adjustment.
Its hard to get pics when the assembly is in place.
Now that I have this one installed I rather not remove it. I have a second Ender 5 I want to mod so when I do that I will try to get pics. Will not be easy because all the trouble is behind or all but hidden.
If you could maybe try shaving material off the mount surface where the sensor bolts too may get me working. I would gladly help you with measurements when I do the other Ender 5
Sorry I just lost 4G so this is the only pic that got transferred. As you can see the slot is already lower than the screw and the mount screw will hit the bltouch screw. The slot cant be lowered anymore. Shaving material off the bottom surface where the bltouch mounts would do the trick for now. Is that something you could try?
Forgot to mention the duct aimed directly at the sock. It cant be lowered anymore or it will be lower than the nozzle. It seems to me it will have to be reshaped at the tips to get the right direction. I will try to get a pic of that this morning. We have terrible cell service here where we are in Florida. Hope its back in the later AM as its now AM. I will check back later this morning..
Thanks

My apologies. I am a very visually oriented learner, it is hard for me to follow your descriptions. Now that you have things mounted or nearly all mounted. Can you take a pic of the front left where the BLTouch mounts (or hold it where you want it) and I can then visually reference and understand what change needs to be made to the mount (and the mod you made to the wing to get it to hold).

I can recess the BLTouch mount screw (make the top hole wider to let that screw sit down into the mount block. this will make room for the screw behind. I can also make that back wall with the vertical slot taller to give you more vertical adjustment.

Hi this is just not working out for my setup. I have the Ender 5 with Triangle labs V6 Volcano 24v all metal hotend and Triangle labs BLTouch. I am using single 5015 fan. The BLTouch mount you remixed I still had to cut a chunk out to get it to clear the belt mount. Now its so weak it bends. The cooling duct is on the bottom hole and when adjusted 3mm up from the nozzle it is pointed straight at the sock.
I was not able to use the lock because the holes are not spaced far enough apart to clear the extrusion. If I try to use it the screw heads hit the extrusion forcing the screw in on a severe angle. I had to remove the lock and pull the assemble away from the backplate and start the screws, and then screw them in as the assembly draws closer to the back plate until its tight. Then I could assemble the rest.
I already cut the leads off the stock hotend to use them on the new one so there is no going back.
I really want this to work can you help?
Thanks
Sorry I re posted but it said it was flagged and did not show on screen.

Yes, I will do my best to help, but I don't have an Ender 5 to test against. So, can you take some pics of where these issues are occurring (in place). While your descriptions make sense in that there are issues at the locations described, I don't know in what reference or relation to the other parts, what changes need to be made.

Hi this is just not working out for my setup. I have the Ender 5 with Triangle labs V6 Volcano 24v all metal hotend and Triangle labs BLTouch. I am using single 5015 fan. The BLTouch mount you remixed I still had to cut a chunk out to get it to clear the belt mount. Now its so weak it bends. The cooling duct is on the bottom hole and when adjusted 3mm up from the nozzle it is pointed straight at the sock.
I was not able to use the lock because the holes are not spaced far enough apart to clear the extrusion. If I try to use it the screw heads hit the extrusion forcing the screw in on a severe angle. I had to remove the lock and pull the assemble away from the backplate and start the screws, and then screw them in as the assembly draws closer to the back plate until its tight. Then I could assemble the rest.
I already cut the leads off the stock hotend to use them on the new one so there is no going back.
I really want this to work can you help?
Thanks

OK These parts are just not working for my setup again I have Ender 5 with a Triangle labs V6 Volcano clone 24v all metal hotend, Triangle Labs BLTouch, using single 5015 fan.
The BLtouch mount you remixed to add clearance for the belt mount still was not enough. I had to cut another chunk out and now the mount is so weak it bends. The cooling duct is at the very bottom hole and when its adjusted about 3mm above the nozzle its blowing directly on the sock and nozzle.
I was not able to use the lock because the distance between holes is not significant to clear the gantry extrusion. I had to pull the whole setup away from the plate put the bolts in and start them then tighten them and finish the assembly. The screw head would hit the extrusion and tried to force the screw in on an angle if I tried to use the lock.
Very frustrating as I really want to use this. I already cut the leads off the stock hotend so I could use the plugs on the new one so there is no going back.
Can you help?

Hi I have a Ender 5 with BLtouch and the E3D V6 Volcano triangle labs clone. I printed the base 1+2 for the Ender 5. I printed the Volcano BLtouch mount. My problem is the belt mount on the left of the carriage is in the way and prevents the BLTouch mount from being used. Am I doing anything wrong or is there another file I need to print. I am using the single 5015 fan version.
Also I am concerned the whole assembly is being held by only 2 small screws on the left side. The hotend should be bolted to the stock mount locations. It seems trusting everything to only 2 small screws on one side of this whole assembly could be trouble. Am I doing something wrong?

The Hero Me Gen3 Base for the Ender 5 has four M3 screws that mount the base to the X gantry. Two on the left held down by the base lock (or an ABL mount) and two on the right that come from behind the X Gantry in the vertical slot in the back plate. There is an optional Ender 5 base lock that can fit back there, or the screws can be mounted directly from the back with out the optional Ender 5 specific base lock plate. The screws holes are lined up just above and below the 2020 aluminum X gantry bar.

I have posted updated BLTouch wing STL files specifically for the Ender 5 that should resolve conflict with the belt mount.

The mount works but I have another problem. The duct when in place is in the very last hole at the bottom barely and to get it there the duct pushes against the hotend sock. To change a nozzle the fan duct would have to be removed. Not sure about heat I printed with petg but its pushing hard against the hot end looks like trouble. What do you think?

I was able to get the heater wires to bend around the corner enough to spin the hotend so the fan is not hitting it. I am still only able to use the last hole on the bottom. How far should the air be from the nozzle right now its hitting the nozzle directly in the middle. Will that not cool it down? Just curious I want to get this right. Thanks

Thank you thank you. I did find the screws on the right side after going thru all the files you have. Man you put a ton of time and work into this. I will print these for the BLTouch. I read someone removed the area so the mount would fit but the way it looked to me it would take 1/3 of the mount. I see you made a hole for the belt very crafty.
Thanks again. I always come to your setups when I need something.

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No, you're not doing anything wrong. The accessory ABL mounts have not all been modified to work with the Ender 5 gantry belt mount. Let me see what it will take to tweak it. Investigating now.

if i have a 5020 duct fan, can i just use the part from your original? https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3182917

Hero Me Gen3 - CR-10/S Ender 3/Pro/5 OEM Hot-end

This E3D Volcano version of the Hero Me Gen2 is taller, to deal with the extra 7mm of height on the Volcano hot-end. So I will have to make a Volcano version (longer mount pegs) of the 5020 cooling duct (had not had a request for it until now). I am back from a business trip on the 28th. I can get it done by the following weekend.

Ty. I printed in ABS and the parts had some slack. So I couldn't do part 1 and 2 to tighten very fitty. I ender up snappning the base :( ABS cracks so easily :(. luckily I have my old duct from stock stuff in ABS, so I can print the rest in PLA+ or PETG! Thanks again for all the builds.

Fixed the HM Volcano Base 2 Gen2c.stl part to make assembly much easier.

What's the diff between this one and https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3291101 ?

Hero Me Gen 3 E3D V6 - CR-10, Ender 3, & clones

The difference is about 7mm of height due to the Volcano nozzle this one is designed for. The cooling ducts also have longer mount pegs due to the hot-end height difference.

I am having trouble printing CCR10_HM_Volcano_Dual_5015_Duct_Gen2c. The added baffles near the fan duct tips are causing an awful lot of trouble. When I print (as you recommend with the front facing down) I have two options in cura for support, touching the build plate, or everywhere. Unfortunately custom support plugin is terrible and not working for me, ive looked into every solution. Whats happening when I select support everywhere, is that cura is generating support for the baffles inside of the part, and now blocks any chance of air flow. If I select touching only the build plate, I'm left with 6 overhangs that I cannot generate support from. Do you have a version of this file without the baffles added? Im not skilled enough to modify the part myself

All the parts cooling ducts have been significantly updated in the last few days with larger ducts and tapered tips to move the point of interfering turbulence off the hot-end nozzle tip. These are easier to print and won't have potential blockage problems with supports. The new version of what you want is: HM_Volcano_Dual_5015_Duct_Gen2e attached. In Cura only have supports from the build plate. Also attached is a screen shot of the support settings I use in S3D. You will want to set the equivalent in Cura.

Mediaman, for an Ender 3 with stock extruder but I want to use 5015 fans, which one is the one from your vast collection? Thank you sir!

You want to use the parts from this Hero Me: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3182917 That is designed for the Ender 3 with a stock hot-end.

Hero Me Gen3 - CR-10/S Ender 3/Pro/5 OEM Hot-end

True! Maybe I just had a bad print of the minimalist? Wish I could help with the troubleshooting but the hot end is all back together and I sure don't want to mess with it now! Prusa holds the heat sink at the top and bottom, for what its worth. Its just a small thin piece on the bottom.
That might make a difference but still allow for good cooling.

Yep, the Hero Me is a great cooling system. I'll check out the Prusa mount design and learn from that. Thanks!

HEy
I really confused, you have alot of versions for the best cooling in Ender 3 but I am a new user for printing. can you help me to choose one of your design. I have Ender 3 and I dont have another fans to change it , just I have those come with printer .....

If you have a stock Ender 3 and just want to use the fans that you have, then you want to be using the following Hero Me remix and follow the instructions for the parts needed for a stock Ender 3. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3182917

Hero Me Gen3 - CR-10/S Ender 3/Pro/5 OEM Hot-end

Fantastic.

Please consider adding titan extruder direct drive.

I have a tevo flash, which im going to convert to this.

titan direct drive + e3dv6 + volcano ;-P

im printign this https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3329537
i wish hero me too :)

Creality Titan/ V6/ Volcano Direct Drive with BLTouch

I don't have a Titan direct drive to model against. There are others who have added direct drive options to the Hero Me series. There might be one there, or maybe they have the info to mod one for you. You can check all those out in my collection here: https://www.thingiverse.com/mediaman/collections/hero-me-cooling-systems

Or you could do a search in Thingiverse for 'Hero Me Direct Drive'. I found four, there may be more with a different search: https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=Hero+Me+Direct+Drive&dwh=645c4625daac852

Any chance to adapt it to a bmg direct drive extruder? I would love to use it

I don't have a bmg direct drive to model against. There are others who have added direct drive options to the Hero Me series. There might be one there, or maybe they have the info to mod one for you. You can check all those out in my collection here: https://www.thingiverse.com/mediaman/collections/hero-me-cooling-systems

Or you could do a search in Thingiverse for 'Hero Me Direct Drive'. I found four, there may be more with a different search: https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=Hero+Me+Direct+Drive&dwh=645c4625daac852

Thanks for your answer, since this is a new setup i didn't think it would fit on that models, I will give a try and tell you if it works, thanks again!