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ToM Extruder Relay Fix

by rwensley, published

ToM Extruder Relay Fix by rwensley Jan 8, 2011

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First this not my best work by far. I am staying in a hotel and have limited resources to be able to build this properly.

Some of the new owners of ToMs have been experiencing problems with the extruder motor failing after a short time. I was able to see that the problem is related to glitches on the extruder controller board possibly due to the power supply.

As a work around until MBI develops a proper fix, I have added this relay board to the output of the EC board. As a result I have been able to print several objects with out issue.

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All of the parts are available at Radio Shack. Follow the schematic attached. Be careful of the diode and capacitor polarities. See cautionary notes on the schematic.

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@rwensley - thanks for this. My cupcake extruder motor (Plastruder MK5 on one of the last Ultimate cupcakes) died and I came across this.

Was only using one of the two relays on the relay board, so I wired the PWM direct to the input B and put a 220uF 25V cap (chosen for being there, not calculated) across it, then wired the output from the relay to the motor. Seems to do pretty well for a few prints so far.

Is this also useful for a cupcake extruder? I'm having similar problems as you described and the motor is no working anymore. But I'm using plastruder mk4 with a cupcake. What do you think?

I see no reason for this not to work with the cupcake. The DC will be 1 speed all the time and have full power available for operation.

Ron,

I used this for quite a while before I upgraded to a stepper and it worked exactly as advertised.

I am an electronics moron so I have a question for you.

What would be the easiest way -- or is it even possible -- to change this circuit so that instead of keeping the motor on for 600ms it k
ept it on for more like 5 seconds?

I'm basically looking for the simplest way to get a simple switch to power the DC motor for about 5 seconds, if you have any ideas, I'll be very thankful.

ScribbleJ,

Don't be so hard on your self electronics is a fun hobby but it does take time to learn.

You can determine the time delay by measuring the relay coil resistanceThe time will be approximately 2.5 C R. (For the record the formula for a time constant is t = C * R and it takes 5 time constants to complete) I use 2.5 because of the relay coils pick up aand drop out voltages.

If you
measure 400 ohms and you want 5 seconds then

5 = C * 400 or C = 5 / 400 so

C = 0.0125 F or 12,500 uF

I would go with the LM555 timer IC also! ;)

If I can help with any of your electronics questions just let me know.

Ron

Thanks, Ron. :) When I get around to the idea I'm planning, I'm definitely using the 555.

Just for the record, if I did the math right, I'd need a 4000uf cap, which is awfully big. I've decided I'll probably just go with a 555.

Here is another fix using MOSFETs to replace relays, and hence it supports PWM. Check this out:

http://rayshobby.blogspot.com/2011/02/mosfet-based-fix-to-makerbot-extruder.htmlhttp://rayshobby.blogspot.com/...

I've come up with the true fix.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5630http://www.thingiverse.com/thi...

No relays required and actually fixes the problem.

Thanks I used your design, and as I had a spare relay, I added a reversible version.

Not that the ToM reverses very often :)

Same problem; this works for me as a temporary fix.

It definitely turned on my dead motor. Now I'm working on Skeinforge settings to improve print quality.

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