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Moses by Michelangelo

by jerry7171 Jan 29, 2015
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Thank you for making this available.

It's my pleasure. Enjoy!

As far as sculpture goes, Michelangelo is by far my favorite. After getting to know your rendering a bit, I must say you've done a really nice job. I truly hope that every work of all the Masters is eventually digitized faithfully in 3d.

Thank you for all the time you put in to this.
-Brad

Thank you Brad. I agree wholeheartedly and hope too that all the great masters will be given a good 3D scan to be freely released. I'd daydreamed for years about that very kind of concept, a kind of world museum where just about anything ancient would be represented by a copy. I realize its not a new concept and people now have a peculiar disdain for copies. The irony is, so many of the great masterpieces from antiquity that are held in great esteem are probably ancient copies and derivatives!

I can't say enough good things about Cosmo Wenman who started doing this first with the Venus de Milo and the Winged Victory aka Nike of Samothrace. When I started reading more about him and his hopes of 3D modeling all the great ancient masters, I was inspired to give 3D photo modeling a try.

Right now, the only things holding me back are the recent loss of my new but wonderful Pentax camera and the need to invest in more RAM for my 2009 Mac Pro. (I swear, the things that I do for fun now -- can it get any more expensive, or satisfying)?

Can you please post this elsewhere? Kick ### Torr possibly? kat.cr

I am a sculptor, I swear to print one Moses. Well done Jerry! Good story!

Thank you! I hope you enjoy Moses.

Great work! Thanks for reposting. I'll post pictures of my print, hopefully today.

It's Back! Good for you Jerry. Its a gorgeous scan. We just did a segment about your experience on the 3dPrinting Today podcast. It will air in a couple of weeks. I'm glad you stood up for yourself.

Now if someone could make a model of Ole the Viking we could have ourselves a little remix contest. . .

Hi! Sorry to take so long responding.

Ironically enough, I did do a scan of Ole the Viking, but I never progressed past the initial photo alignment / dot cloud stage as I learned he is still within the realm of copyright. It is one thing to take photos of Ole, but quite another to recreate him in 3D and freely share him without the express consent of nearly everyone under the sun who might have even a passing involvement with the artist, the college or God-only-knows what else.

That is why I got started making a stink. I respect the copyright of artists who are alive or who have estates that still have legal sway over their legacy for the standard 70 years post-death, but I refuse to be misinformed that a precise reproduction of a public domain sculpture is copyrighted by the same standards.

I'm sure many people who make a living copying sculptures will sweat over that unwanted detail of the law, but I suspect that is also why replicas and souvenir versions of famous landmarks or sculptures look so dramatically different from the originals.

Take the Statue of Liberty. If you scrutinize almost any of the ubiquitous green and white souvenir models, they are striking for how while keeping much of the detail of the colossal statue, the female form under the robes is very obviously different in terms of being more slender, a more ample bosom, a slightly different face and a subtle change in the pose of the figure and the way the right arm thrusts more straight up then in the original. It isn't the change in materials or the diminutive size of the souvenirs that gave them copyright protection. Rather, it was the very visible changes that gave it a transformative quality which would land it as a derivative, thus qualifying for copyright.

I'm not a lawyer, but I will be looking out with interest to see how the case law around these new technologies is formed. I appreciate your desire to not be the test case, but I'm not sure that copyright law would preclude you from scanning and sharing a scan of an object under copyright, provided you didn't do it for profit, and perhaps shared it with a license which would preclude others from profiting from its use. The doctrine of fair use is well established in most other mediums and your uses would certainly qualify if we were talking about posting the source photos. At this point in time scans are, by their very nature, of scholarly and educational interest, while their lack of detail is in effect excerpting from the original work, all of which tend to qualify as fair use. Currently 3d Scanning is uncharted waters, but in a few years scanners will be as ubiquitous as cell phone cameras and copyright holders will have no better luck controlling scans than they do photos of their work.

We live in interesting times. Keep up the great work!

Good to see it back, so you also used MeshMixer? I saw all the news, didn't know you were so busy with this :-)
People kept asking at my Thingiverse model page to reupload the model but I don't want to take any chances even though many people and websites claim it's legal.. Anyway, good luck with more scanning and Mesh Mixing!

Sorry I took so long to reply!

It is thanks to you that I am now using MeshMixer along with Meshlab in conjunction to Photoscan. Please, do upload your copy of Moses again. Ever since the story came out online about how Augustana College acted, there has been nothing but deafening silence from them and the city here. I think they both know they were wrong and just want all this to go away now. Nobody has approached me or pestered me when I go out to photograph now. It is unfortunate how it takes negative publicity to shame institutions into doing the right thing.

Still under copyright?! That would be funny if not for Mickey Mouse.
Awesome photogrammetry work, thanks!

Mickey Mouse... oh boy. I could get going for hours on why Mickey Mouse is the poster child for everything that is wrong with the current copyright laws, but that is for another forum. Luckily for me, people helped me find out that there is no such thing as a copyright on public domain artwork, in spite of what institutions like Augustana College or some museums or civic governments would say. Two Federal District Court decisions made that much clear back in 1976 and the late 1990s. In both cases, public domain items with only trivial alterations were claimed to be covered under copyright. The courts disagreed, stating that simply tweaking colors or changing the material or size of a public domain item wasn't enough to copyright it. It had to be altered enough to count as a "derivative" design. Anyway, I'm just happy that I can now put Moses back up with a clear conscience and not fear being served with some nastygram from their legal team.

I'm quite happy to see that you don't have to worry about that legal non sense with public domain. It's quite funny that they complain with 3d printing but when you have a news crew or camera for a newspaper they don't bitch one bit. Even though the image is being distributed freely across the world. Same kind of thing in my opinion and yes I have worked as part of a news crew. You'd be surprised what copy rights they ignore in media and don't get penalized but when it comes to individuals like us we get all this hell over simple things. Honestly makes me wonder, but I'll save that for a different place. Anyway congratulations on brining it back!

Sorry about not replying sooner.

Yes! I think we've gotten to a point where everyone is out to assert a claim on everything under the sun and it has spun out of control. The intent of our copyright laws has been perverted so much that now only corporations with deep pockets or lawyers seem to gain any benefit from it.

I'd say we need a streamlined, common sense approach to copyright so incidents like mine don't happen again, but the cynic in me suspects that if Congress ever started contemplating changing copyright laws, Disney and all the rest of the big companies would send in armies of lobbyists to make sure any changes were to their benefit, at the cost to smaller players like ourselves.

We the little people are always the first to be hung out to dry and used as examples. We are trampled over all the time, but that changes now with this technological revolution we have here. I mean the advances in 3d printing filament alone in the last two years is astounding, but I'm getting off topic.

The lawyers will always be present and waiting due to this lack luster common license bull we have going on. I mean hell it's why the Japanese artists love Americans so much. We can make any of there works come to life and not be trampled by our government for it. While they can only see the little man sell their version of the works they made at wondercon once a year. Mind you that's done with pain staking paperwork that would make any American lawyer cringe with fright.

We need to go back to the days of what you make a sell is what you make and sell. Copyrights are getting out of hand. Redistribution is so common it's digital in this age. You can't stop the Internet. They tried to block and even monopolize it once but look how well that went for them. Now they can just monitor and try to tax all they can from everyone.

Mind you I'm not anti government, if they went away and all our laws went away chaos would become the way of the world and to be frank if we could do without them and have no chaos I'd say sure but we can't so I deal with it.

Sorry ranting a little. Anyway you and I need to have a nice chat about creative copyright laws and what falls under craft laws and what doesn't.